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  • in reply to: Identification #50186
    Avatar photoJack Sutton
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    Sorry, could not find a way to edit my prev post:

     

    The statues I referred too where not on a single bulding, but to the statues in the panels of the 25, 50 and 75 pfg notes

     

    thanks

    in reply to: Identification #50177
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    John, great as usual.

    I guess you were already drinking to the memory, as you missed at least one phrase.

     

     

    Amer de Deigapen backet nach immer!

    (translated 30 August 2017)

    Amer de Deigapen bakes after ever!

    <<???>>>

    in reply to: Identification #50176
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    Super info John – much appreciated!! :good:

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    Hi Jack,

    Gotta love the Braunschweig notes!  The Eulenspiegel series was one of the first that I collected, and has a special place in my heart; I spent a pleasant day in the town a few years ago, looking out the different locations and statues on the Alt-Braunschweig set, and chatting to the nice people in the town museum who were very helpful.  And 158.1 has one of my fave playwrights, Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, so let’s see what we can do to help.

    155.1, 10 Pfennig :

    “Ulenspeigel is nich mid Schanne  / von enem Essel uteschetten / in Knettlingen in usem Lanne / hat Heilebort en in de Weege smetten / Hei was en dönschen Kerl vull Strike / un kam in Mölln tor Erd as Like” (Eulenspiegel was not shamefully shat out by a donkey; / in our very own Kneitlingen he was thrown into the cradle by the stork, / He was a foolish fellow full of tricks / and his body was buried in Mölln).

    155.1, 25 Pfennig (Eulenspiegel as a baker):

    “Statts Lussen dä hei Apen maken / un Ulen un Krein un annere Saken / Blot Pennige kosten sei dortaumalen / Nu most du mer dafor betalen / denn de Tiden sind slimmer / Awer de Deigapen backet noch immer!” (Instead of loaves he made monkeys / and owls and crows and other things. / They used to cost just pennies, / though now you have to pay more for them / for times are harder. / But those pastry monkeys are still baked today!)

    155.1, 50 Pfennig (Eulenspiegel as a lover) :

    “Füer Leiw un Brannewien / de slimmsten Fiend vom Kassenschien. / Doch kannst ohn Sluck un Damp nich sin. / Säuck dick dat schönste Öwel ut / Un nimm ne lüttje säute Brut” (A warm fire, love and strong drink / are the enemies of the pocketbook. / But you can’t live without drink or food / So find yourself the finest vice / and take a sweet young thing as your bride).

    155.1, 75 Pfennig (Eulenspiegel as a doctor) :

    “Nist daun, Slapen, freten, supen, Sachte gahn un pupen Dat sleit an” (Do nothing, sleep, scoff, sup, / walk but slowly and break wind.  That’s the trick).

    155.2, 10 Pfennig :

    BRUNSEWYK DU LEIWE STADT / VOR VEL DUSENT STÄDEN / DEI SAU SCHÖNE MUMME HAT DAR IKK WORST KANN FRETEN (Brunswick you dear town / Ahead of many thousand others / Which has such lovely Mumme beer / Where I can eat sausage)

     

    155.2, 25 Pfennig :

    MUMME SMEKKT NOG MAL SAU FIN  / AS TOKAY UN MOSLER WIN /  SLAKKWORST FÜLLT DEN MAGEN / MUMME SETTET NEYRENTALG (Mumme beer tastes much finer / Than Tokay or Moselle wine / Salami fills the stomach / Mumme builds up kidney fat)

    155.2, 50 Pfennig :

    WENN IKK GNURRE KYVE BRUMM / SLEPE MIKK MIT SORGEN / EY SO GEET MI GUDE MUMM / BET TAUN LECHTEN MORGEN (When I growl or moan or grumble / Or drag my heels in sorrow / O give me good Mumme beer / Until the last day dawns)

    [You asked about the pictures.  The note shows the Altstadtmarkt, the Old Town Market Square, with (l. to r.) St Martin’s church, the market fountain and the old town hall, upon the façade of which are 17 figures of the town’s rulers.  These include the statues of Duke Henry the Lion and Duchess Matilda, as shown here, as well as three emperors, one king and four further dukes along with their wives.]

    155.2, 75 Pfennig :

    MUMME UN EIN STÜMPEL WORST / KANN DEN HUNGER UN DEN DORST / OK DE VENUSGRILLEN / OGENBLIKKLICH STILLEN! (Mumme beer and a sausage sliced / Can still hunger and thirst / And even lovesickness / In but a moment!)

    158.1, obverse of all notes :

    Geld-zetul / ausgegangen bey währender nothzeyt / darinnen all gut geld durch den erschröcklichen krieg ist verschlungen. – Nimbt in diessem 1921 jar für beygesatzten ehrlichen gelds-werth an / des gemeynen volcks bibliotheka und lese-stuben / auff deme Gewandhause / in der stad zu braunschweich (Money notes / are run out in the current time of distress / wherein all good money has been devoured through the terrible war. – Take in this year 1921 for the value of honest money so replaced / of the common people’s library and reading rooms upon the clothing house / in the town of Brunswicke)

    [NB a pseudo-medieval text decrying the financial distress of the post-war period and requesting that the notes be accepted as legal tender. All very tongue-in-cheek] ]

    158.1, 10 Pfennig :

    O, was ist die deutsch Sprak für ein arm Sprak! für ein plump Sprak! (Oh what a poor language is the German language!  What an awkward language!).

    [NB from Lessing’s play Minna von Barnhelm, in broken German, as spoken by the character the Chevalier Riccaut de la Marlinière, Seigneur de Pret-au-val, a pompous French mercenary in Prussian service]

    Hope that this is helpful and informative.  Apart from the pseudo-medieval German and the deliberately broken German, most of the above is in local Eastphalian dialect. Regrettably I didn’t try the Mumme beer when I was there, so I feel another visit coming on!

    in reply to: Identification #50137
    Avatar photoJack Sutton
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    Greetings,

     

    This time we look at Braunschweig, specifically the Eulenspiegal and Alt Braunschweig series.  Again, I believe these are common enough to be in most collections.  So I will not burn up space hosting them images.

     

    First we will list series 155.1:

     

    10 pfg, Eulenspeigal with Owl, 01 May 1921:

    Eulenspiegel is nict mid Schanne von enem Essel uteschetten in Kneitlingen in usem Lanne hat Heilebort en in de Weege smetten Hel was en donschen Kerl null Strike an Aam in Molln tor Er as Lisse

    (translated 03 September 2020)

    Eulenspiegel is not in the middle of a donkey uteschetten in Kneitlingen in us Lanne has Heilebort en in de Weege smetten Hel was en donschen guy null Strike an Aam in Molln tor Er as Lisse

     

    25 pfg, Eulenspeigal with Monkey, 01 May 1921:

    Ulenspeigel as Backer

    Statts Luffen dä hei Apen maken un Ulen un Kreln un annere Saken Blot Pennige kosten sei dortaumalen.  Nu most du mer dufor betalen denn de Fiden sind glimmer.

    (translated 30 August 2017)

    Ulenspiegel, as in the case of the Apes, and the Kremn and the Saken Blot. Nu most you mer dufor betalen because de Fiden are glimmer.

    <<???>>

     

    Amer de Deigapen backet nach immer!

    (translated 30 August 2017)

    Amer de Deigapen bakes after ever!

    <<???>>>

     

    50 pfg Eulenspeigal Als Liebhaber, 01 May 1921:

    Feur Leiw un Branne Wein de slimmsten Fiend vom Kassenschien doch kannst ohn Sluck und Damp nich sin Sauck schonste Owel ut Un nimm ne luttie saute Brut!

    (translated 03 September 2020)

    Feur Leiw un Branne Wein the worst enemy of the cash register but you can not without sluck and steam are suck suck owel Ut Take no luttie saute brut!

    <<????>>

     

    75 pfg, Eulenspiegal als Arzt, 01 May 1921

    Nist daun slapen freten supen sachte gahn un pupen dat sleit an

    (translated 03 September 2020)

    Nest daun, slap, fry supen, gently gahn and dolls on it

    <<????>>

     

    Series 155.2:

    10 pfg, town view, ‘Appelhans’, 01 May 1921:

    Brunsewyk du Leiwe Stadt vor vel dusent Staden die sau schone mumme hat dar ikk worst kann freten

    (translated 04 September 2020)

    Brunsewyk du Leiwe City in front of vel dusent Staden the sau schone mumme has dar ikk worst can fret

    <<????>>

     

    10 pfg, town view, ‘no printer name’, 01 May 1921

    Brunsewyk du Leiwe Stadt vor vel dusent Staden die sau schone mumme hat dar ikk worst kann freten

    (translated 04 September 2020)

    Brunsewyk du Leiwe City in front of vel dusent Staden the sau schone mumme has dar ikk worst can fret

    <<????>>

     

    25 pfg, alt burgplatz, ‘Vieweg’, 01 May 1921:

    Mumme Smekki Nog Mal Sau Fin As Tokay un Mosler Wynslakkorst Füllt den Magen Mumme Set Tet Neyrent Alg

    (translated 22 August 2017)

    Mumme Smekki Nog Mal Sau Fin As Tokay un Mosler Wynslakkorst Fills the stomach Mum Tet Tet Neyrent Alg

    <<????>>

     

    25 pfg, alt burgplatz, ‘Appelhans’, 01 May 1921:

    Mumme Smekki Nog Mal Sau Fin As Tokay un Mosler Wynslakkorst Füllt den Magen Mumme Set Tet Neyrent Alg

    (translated 22 August 2017)

    Mumme Smekki Nog Mal Sau Fin As Tokay un Mosler Wynslakkorst Fills the stomach Mum Tet Tet Neyrent Alg

    <<????>>

     

    50 pfg, alt stadtmakt, Appelhans’, 01 May 1921:

    Fy so geet mi gude mumm

    Wenn ikk gnurre kyve brumm

    Slepe mikk mit sorgen

    Bei iaun lechten morgen

    (translated 04 September 2020)

    Fy so geet mi gude mumm

    When ikk gnurre kyve hum

    Slepe mikk with worries

    At iaun lechen tomorrow

    <<???>>

     

    Thoughts on the front image:

     

    >>>statue one?

     

    >>>fountain in old marketplatz?

     

    >>>statue two?

     

    75 pfg, wollmarkt, ‘no printer listed’, 01 May 1921

    Mumme un ein stumpel worst kann den hunger un der dorst ok de venusgrillen ogenblikklich stillen!

    (translated 04 September 2020)

    Mumme and a stump worst can satisfy the hunger in the Dorst ok de venusgrillen ogenblikklich!

    <<???>>

     

    Series 158.1a:

    10 pfg, Gotthold Lessing, 1921

    O, roas ist die deutsch Sprak für ein arm Sprak!  Fur ein plump Sprak!

    (Minna von Barnholm)

    (translated 10 September, 2020)

    O, roas is the German language for a poor language! For a clumsy tongue!

    (Minna von Barnholm)

    <<???>>

     

     

    Geld zetus Ausgängen ben mährender notchzent darinnen all gut Geld durch den erschrofflichen Krieg ist verschlungen.  Nimbt im diessem 1921 tar fur bengesatzten ehrlichen geldswerth an des gemennen volcks bibliotheka und lese-stuben auff deme Gemandhause in der stad zu Braunschweich

    (translated 10 September 2020)

    Money zetus exits beneath a morose notchcent all good money from the terrible war is swallowed up. In this 1921 tariff for bengesatzten honest monetary value to the common people library and reading rooms on the Gemandhaus in the city of Braunschweig

    <<???>>

     

    25 pfg, Louis Spohr, 1921:

    Geld zetus Ausgängen ben mährender notchzent darinnen all gut Geld durch den erschrofflichen Krieg ist verschlungen.  Nimbt im diessem 1921 tar fur bengesatzten ehrlichen geldswerth an des gemennen volcks bibliotheka und lese-stuben auff deme Gemandhause in der stad zu Braunschweich

    (translated 10 September 2020)

    Money zetus exits beneath a morose notchcent all good money from the terrible war is swallowed up. In this 1921 tariff for bengesatzten honest monetary value to the common people library and reading rooms on the Gemandhaus in the city of Braunschweig

    <<???>>

     

    50 pfg, Franzt Abt, 1921:

    Geld zetus Ausgängen ben mährender notchzent darinnen all gut Geld durch den erschrofflichen Krieg ist verschlungen.  Nimbt im diessem 1921 tar fur bengesatzten ehrlichen geldswerth an des gemennen volcks bibliotheka und lese-stuben auff deme Gemandhause in der stad zu Braunschweich

    (translated 10 September 2020)

    Money zetus exits beneath a morose notchcent all good money from the terrible war is swallowed up. In this 1921 tariff for bengesatzten honest monetary value to the common people library and reading rooms on the Gemandhaus in the city of Braunschweig

    <<???>>

     

    75 pfg, William Raabe, 1921

     

     

     

    Geld zetul ausgangen ben währender nothzent darinnen all gut geld durch den erschröfflichen krieg ist verschlvngen.  Nimbt in diessem 1921 jar für ben gesatzten ehrsichen geldswerth an des gemeynen volcfs biblotheka und lese – stuben auff deme Gewandhause in der stad zu braunschweich.

    (translated 03 September, 2017)

    Money zetul exhausted nothzent in it all good money through the frröfföfflicher war is verschnng. Nimbt in this 1921 jar for ben gesatzten honorable worth at the common volume biblotheka and reading – rooms on the Gewandhaus in the stad zu braunschweich.

    <<???>>

     

    Thanks again for all thought s and efforts,

     

    Jack

    in reply to: Identification #50136
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    John, that was helpful to us all.  thanks.

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    teehee….. :good:

    in reply to: Identification #50099
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    Oops my Bad (see what I did there?)

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #50090
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    Hello –

    I thought that I would recommend a book I just read called When Money Dies by Adam Fergusson. This book deals with the 1919-1924 German Post WWI Hyperinflation and touches on Austria and Hungary as well.

    While it talks about notgeld, this book is NOT a notgeld book. Rather, it is an inciteful work that talks about some of the harsh realities of the era and a lot of the reasons for it. I’ll admit, some of it is dry, especially when dealing with the pure financial aspects of governmental administrative actions, but overall I found it to be quite interesting and a worthwhile read, giving a small glimpse into the era and its impact that notgeld was a necessary part of.

    in reply to: Identification #50089
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    Hi John – I’m in Germany trying to find Bad Bramstedt from your descriptions……. :yahoo:

    in reply to: Identification #50082
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    Small correction to previous post!  I got my Bramstedts mixed up!

    Bad Bramstedt, the issuer of the notes, is not in the District of Cuxhaven as stated but rather in the District of Segeberg in Holstein, a bit further north.  There is a different Bramstedt in the District of Cuxhaven, but not one that is likely to be renowned for its Roland statue or its spa waters and mudbath cures.

    Apologies to both Bramstedts and anyone in the forum confused by my error which I am happy to correct.  I hope that no one has gone to to the wrong Bramstedt in the last week and been disappointed on the basis of my claims :).

    in reply to: Identification #50026
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    Hi Jack,

    Interesting that the search results claim the text to be in Luxembourgish, which is a Germanic language very close to German.  It is in fact in one of the several versions of Low German, in all probability the version known as Hadler Platt, spoken in and around the District of Cuxhaven where Bad Bramstedt is located.

    The obverse of the 25-Pfennig note shows the town’s statue (dating back to 1693) of the hero Roland, a commonplace fountain or marketplace motif in Northern and Central Germany and beyond, as an assertion of municipal rights and freedoms (there’s a great book on these statues by Dietlinde Munzel-Everling, entitled Rolande).  The text reads :

    Uns‘ Roland steiht un kiekt un nöckt.
    He seggt: „De Welt, de is verrückt.
    Ick mag hier nich mehr länger stahn,
    Ick will man leewer rünnergahn.
    Ick gah nah Bielenbarg nu aff,
    Dar legg ik mi ganz still int Graff
    Un slaap dar, bet in Kopp un Hart
    De Minschheit wer‘ vernünftig ward.“

    Our Roland stands and looks and teases,

    He says : “The world is crazy.

    I don’t want to stand up here anymore,

    I rather want to get down.

    I’m going to set off to Bielenberg,

    And I’ll lie down quietly in a grave

    And have a sleep there, while I pray with head and heart

    That humanity will be brought to reason.”

    The statue makes another appearance on the reverse of the 50-Pfennig note, which shows the locals about to perform their tradtional dance around the statue, or rather its wooden predecessor (c. 1533-1694) :

    De Bramstedter Buern danzt an’n drütten Pingsdag 1674 üm den Roland, weil se ehr Freeheit kregen harrn. — Düt ward hüt to Dog noch mackt.

    The Bramstedt farmers dance around the Roland on the third day of the season of Pentecost in 1674, because they got their freedom. – This is still done to this day.

    The accompanying verse is presumably sung while the dance is performed :

    Solang de Wind weiht
    Un de Hahn kreiht,
    Schall um’n Roland danzt warrn
    Wenn de Sünn ünnergeiht!

    As long as the wind blows

    And the cockerel crows

    Around the Roland we shall dance

    As the sun goes down!

    The Roland statue makes a third appearance on the front of the 50-Pfennig note, in the town’s coat of arms. Here the verse details its validity, terms and conditions :

    Düß Schien, de gelt sien föfti Penn.
    Doch eenmal hett dat ock en Enn.
    Denn kannst du lesen in uns‘ Blatt:
    ,De Schiens sünd all nu vör de Katt!“
    Denn bring em gau hen nah de Kass‘,
    Du büß sünst an de Kossen faß.

    This note is worth its fifty pfennigs.

    But that will one day come to an end.

    You can read about it in our newspaper :

    “The Notgeld notes are all worthless now!”

    So bring them to the finance office,

    Otherwise you’ll be responsible for the cost.

    The expression for worthlessness / pointlessness / a waste of time is in German “for the cat”, from the 16th-century fairy story “The Blacksmith and the Cat.”  Here, instead of standard High German für die Katz’, we have the dialect version vör de Katt.

    The reverse of the 25-Pfennig note has, instead of the town’s Roland statue, a picture of its mineral water spring and a dubious four-verse paean to the same :

    Hest du all mal von Bramstedt hört?
    Und von sien brunes Water?
    All mennig een hett dat kureert,
    Keen Water is probater.

    Wenn se hierher kamt ut de Stadt,
    Denn könnt se knapp noch krupen,
    Se sünd nervös un sonst noch wat
    Un hebbt den Kopp voll Rupen.

    Denn plümpert se hier jeden Dag
    In uns‘ oll dreckig Water.
    Slank ward se as en Bohnenschach
    Un bruner as en Tater.

    Un ook de Rupen in den Kopp
    De speelt nie mehr Theater.
    De ganze Minsch, de leewt wer‘ op,
    Blot von dat brune Water.

    Have you ever heard of Bramstedt?

    And of its brownish water?

    It’s cured all kinds of people,

    No water is more effective.

    When they came here to the town.

    They could barely even crawl,

    Their nerves are bad and they’ve other woes

    And their heads are full of buzzing.

    And then they splash here every day

    In our old dirty water,

    They become as slim as a beanpole

    And browner than a Tartar.

    And all the buzzing in their heads

    No longer gives them bother.

    The whole person is brought to health,

    Just from the brownish water.

    The verses were written by the local dialect poet A. Kühl.  As usual I’ve been a little free with translation sometimes,  in order to render meaning better; for example, I’ve translated Rupen in den Kopp as “buzzing in the head”, where the original actually has “caterpillars in the head”.

    Hope this helps and is of interest to forum fans!

    in reply to: Identification #49993
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    Greetings,

    Today we address Bad Bramstedt.  Series 151.1,

    Weirdly, the computer claims a fair amount of the text is in Luxembourgish.

     

    Series 151.1

    25 pfg, Fountain, 07 Dec 1920

    Writing on the front:

    <poem>

    Heft du mal von Bramstedt hört?

    Un von sien brunes Mater?

    All menning een hett dat fureert,

    Keen Mater is probater.

     

    Menn fe hierher kam ut de Stadt,

    Denn konnt se fnapp noch frupen,

    Se fund nervös un fonst noch wat

    Un hebbt den Kopp voll Rupen

     

    Denn plumpert se hier jeden Dag

    In uns all dreckig Mater

    Slank warrd fe as en Bohnenschach

    Un brunner es en Tater

     

    Un oct de Rupen in den Kopp

    De speelt nie mehr Theater

    De ganze Minsch, de leemt mer‘ op,

    Blut von dat brune Water

     

    Have you ever heard of Bramstedt?

    And from his brown mate?

    Every opinion has a fury,

    No Mater is probater.

     

    Men came here from the city,

    Because she could barely speak,

    She feels nervous and finds something else

    Un raises his head full of scars

     

    Because they plump here every day

    In us all dirty mater

    Slim warrd fe as en Bohnenschach

    Un brunner es en Tater

     

    Un oct de Rupen in den Kopp

    He never plays theater again

    The whole Man, the ‘me’,

    Blood from that brown water

    <<???>>

    << poem by A. Kühl>>

     

     

    Writing on the back:

    Uns Roland steiht un fieft und nockt.

    He seggt: De Welt de es verrückt.

    Ick mag hier nich mehr langer stahn ,

    Ick will man leewer runnergahn.

    Ick gah nah Beilenbarg nu aff,

    Dar lagg ick mi ganz still int Graff

    Un slaap bar, bet in Kopp un hart

    Die Min schheit ner ‘bernunftig ward.“

    >another quote by A. Kuhl<

    Uns Roland stands up five and nudges.

    He says: The world that drives it crazy.

    Ick may not stand here any longer,

    Ick want man leewer runnergahn.

    Ick gah nah Beilenbarg nu aff,

    Dar lag ick mi ganz still int Graff

    Un sleep bar, bet in Kopp un hart

    The mine is not “childish”.

    >another quote by A. Kühl <

    <<???>>

     

     

     

    <><><><><><><>

    50 pfg, Pentecost 1674, 07 Dec 1920

    Writing on the front:

    Solang de Wind weiht

    Un de Hahn kreiht

    Schall um’n Roland danzt warrn

    Wenn de Sünn ünnergeiht!

    As long as the wind blows

    And the rooster crows

    Sound around Roland dances were

    When the sun goes down!

    <<???>>

     

    De Bramstedter Buern danzt an’n drutten Pingsdag 1674 um den Roland, weil se ehr Freeheit kregen harrn. – Düt ward hüt to Dog nach mackt

    The peasants of Bramstedt danced around Roland on the third day of Pentecost 1674, because they were given their freedom. – Düt ward hüt to Dog nach mackt

    <<???>>

     

    Writing on the back:

    Notgeld von de holsteensche Stadt Bad Bramstedt

    Emergency money from the Holsteenian City of Bad Bramstedt

    <thinking Holstein is Germanic region>

     

     

     

     

    Dütz Schein, de gelt sien föfti Penn.

    Doch eenmal hett dat ock en Enn,

    denn kannst du lesen in uns Blatt:

    „De Schiens sünd all nu vör de Katt!“

    Denn bring em gau hen kah de Kass,

    Du bütz fünft an den Kossen fasz.

     

    Dütz Schein, de gelt sien föfti Penn.

    But once it has ock and Enn,

    because you can read in our sheet:

    “De Schiens sins now in front of the cat!”

    Denn bring em gau hen kah de Kass,

    You beat five on the pillows.

    >>???<<

     

    Thank you again,

    Jack

    in reply to: Identification #49982
    Avatar photoJohn Adams
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    Hi Jack,

    You’re very welcome!

    Your translation of the caption is pretty much there : Wie man in Brakel früher die Diebe bestrafte can be rendered as “How we used to punish thieves in Brakel” (or “How they used to punish thieves in Brakel” or “How thieves used to be punished in Brakel”, using the passive voice;  the literal translation is “How one used to punish thieves in Brakel” but that’s a linguistic formulation in English that seems only to be popular with King Charles these days).

    Best wishes as always,

    John

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    Thanks John.

     

    Seems I missed a question though.  Hopefully I did not miss any more.

     

    Wie man in Brakel

    Früher die Diebe

    Bestrafte!

    (translated 08 January 2015)

    How to Brakel

    Previously, the thieves

    Punished!

    <<???>>

    Then again, the more I stare at this, the more more i wonder if this was meant be transcribed as a single line.  If so, with a few a couple grammatical changes, do I have translation already?

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    WILSNACK

    The wrapper keeps the complete serie (12 x 50 Pf) of the reprinted Serienscheine of 1921 with a new date of issue (1983). It is a souvenir of the 600 years city jubilee in 1983. (See the catalog below)

     

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    Hi Jack, many thanks for your kind words!  Although I wasn’t quite around in the 1920s,  I do travel around Germany a bit and have been a bit of a Germanophile for over 40 years, and as I’ve been collecting Notgeld for nearly 20 years my passions seem to coalesce.

    The Brakel set is often regarded as anti-Semitic but I think a more nuanced interpretation would see that only one note – although that’s bad enough – is actually anti-Semitic, the 2-Mark note with the Jewish man chained to a pillory on the obverse.  It seems that because of this people often think that other pictures in the series must be anti-Semitic too.

    The victims of  brutal forms of justice on the back of the 50-pfennig note are not noticeably stereotypically Jewish, nor identified as such.  The theme is captioned as “How we used to punish thieves in Brakel” (Wie man in Brakel früher die Diebe bestrafte), and the malefactors being ducked and caned are “black marketeers, usurers and wastrels”. Obviously, there is the old libelous trope of Jews being automatically synonymous with usury since the Middle Ages (often the only business which they were legally allowed to engage in outside the ghettos).  But the victim of medieval dunking has neither the cartoon stereotypical features of a Jew (as does the figure in the pillory), nor is he wearing any clothing identifying him as such i.e. the gabardine coat of the pilloried Jew, or a conical or pointed hat, or a Star of David. I imagine that die-hard anti-Semites would have been triggered by the word usurer, but otherwise it’s a bit of a thin connection.

    Here’s the original and a translation :

    Solche Wippe, stark von Eisen, / Taucht man kurzer Hand ins Wasser. / Auch für heute wär sie praktisch / Für die Schieber, Wucherer, Prasser.

    Was der Einfalt nur erscheinet / Als ein Instrument zum Sitzen, Dieses wußten kluge Richter / Pädagogisch auszunützen.

    Such a ducking stool, made of strong iron, / Is ducked into the water in peremptory manner. / It would also be practical today / For black marketeers, usurers and wastrels.

    What might seem to a simple mind / An instrument on which to sit, / This the clever judges of yore / Knew how to use to teach a lesson.

    The 1-Mark note  with the image of St Anne’s Chapel on the obverse has a story about the chapel on the back, the story of Dat Mäken von Brakel (The Maiden of Brakel), taken from the Kinder und Hausmärchen (Children’s Fairy Tales and Fairy Tales for the Home) by the Brothers Grimm (1840) :

    Et gien mal ’n Mäken von Brakel na de Sünt Unnen Kappellen uner de Hinnenborg, un weil et gierne  ’n Mann heven wulte un ock meinde, et ware süs neimes in de Kappellen, sau sank et „O hilge Sünte Unne, help mie doch bald tom Manne. Du kennst ’n ja wull : He wuhnt vor’m Suttmerdore, hed gele Hore :Du kenns ’n ja wull.“ De Köster stand awerst hünner de Altare un höre dat, da rep he mit ’ner ganz schrögerigen Stimme : „Du kriggst ’n nig, du kriggst ’n nig.“  Da Mäken awerst meinde, dat Marienkinneken, dat bie de Mudder Anne steiht, hedde üm dat to ropen, da war et beuse un reip : „Pepperlepep, dumme Blae, halt de Schnuten un lat de Möhme kühren (die Mutter reden).“  

    [The bit in brackets at the end is the translation by the Brothers Grimm of the final phrase, which is so far removed from standard German ( the whole story is in Westphalian dialect) as to be otherwise unintelligible to outsiders.]

    In English : Once upon a time a maiden of Brakel was passing by the Chapel of Saint Anne beneath Hinnenburg Castle, and because she wanted dearly a husband and thought that there was no no one else in the chapel, she sang : “O holy Saint Anne, help me to get a man.  You know him well : he lives down by the Suttmer Gate, and has blond hair : you know him well.”  The verger however was standing behind the altar and heard that, whereupon he called out in a most croaky voice : “You’ll not have him, you’ll not have him.”  The girl thought however that the Child Mary, who stood next to Mother Anne, had called out to her, so she was angry and called back : “Stuff and nonsense, silly child, shut your face and let mother do the talking.”

    We can see in the picture the face of the naughty verger peeping out, red-nosed, from behind the altar of St Anne, depicting the grandmother of Christ and her child Mary the Mother of Christ, and calling to the pious girl who has even taken off her clogs as a gesture of respect before kneeling before the altar.

    The reverse side of the 2-Mark note tells a rather more earthy story :

    Ne beste Kamer harr’ wi nit, / Dorüm dat Jüngsten ut dat Finster schitt. / Jedoch – o weh – en Unglück gafst dorbi : / En Ratsmann gung akkrat vorbi, / De hätt dat Traktamente krumm genomen / Un is sin an den Kaak gekuomen. 

    Wahrhaftige Geschichte anno 1655

    We don’t have a lavatory, / So the youngest would shit out of the window. / But – oh woe – that was when an accident happened : / One of the town councillors was passing directly by, / And he took the entire allowance in the wrong way / And ended up in the cack.

    True story from the year 1655

    The word Traktamente stands in here for Exkremente, a s ahumorous bowdlerisation or malapropism.  Traktament was a word of Swedish origin (swathes of Northern Germany were overrun by the Swedes in the Thirty Years’ Way, including Brakel in 1646), it meant a financial allowance; I’ve tried to keep that sense in the translation.

    A final word on the anti-Semitic cartoon on the front of the 2-Mark note; in the issue catalogued G / M 150.1, the figure has exaggerated and stereotypical “Jewish” facial features, which were a staple of e.g. early 20th-century anti-Semitic postcards and later National Socialist publications such as Der Stürmer.  It may actually have been so offensive that it seems to have been softened on the later re-issues of the series, 150.2 and 150.3, where we see that buildings have been added and the outline of the figure’s face has been turned to be slightly less obvious.  Lindman notes in his catalogue, where the three series are numbered 142a, 142b and 142c : Bei b. und c. ist das Bild des 2-Mk-Scheines verändert (“With b and c, the picture of the 2-Mark note has been changed”).

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    Greetings,

    Today we now review series 150.3 and 150.1

    The series of this town are again listed as anti semitic.  I am pretty sure these notes tell a story as well.  Given the theme, a troubling or insulting story would not surprise me.

     

    Golche Wippe, stark von Eisen,

    Taucht man kruger hand ins Wasser

    Auch für heute wär sie praktisch

    Für die Schieber, Wucherer, Prasser!

    (translated 08 January 2015)

    Golche rocker, hard of iron,

    If you dive kruger hand into the water

    Even today they would be practically

    For the slide, usurers, gluttons!

    <<???>>

     

    Was der Einfalt nur erscheinet

    Als ein Instrument zum Citzen

    Dieses wußten kluge Richter

    Bädagogisch auszunützen.

    (translated 08 January 2015)

    What the simplicity only appeareth

    As an instrument for Citzen

    This did wise judge

    Bädagogisch exploit.

    <<???>>

     

    Wie man in Brakel

    Früher die Diebe

    Bestrafte!

    (translated 08 January 2015)

    How to Brakel

    Previously, the thieves

    Punished!

    <<???>>

     

    Die Maken von Brakel.

    (translated 26 August 2020)

    The Maken of Brakel.

    <<???>>

     

    Et gien mal ‘n Maken von Brakel na de fünf Annen Kapellen uner de Hinnenborg, un weil et gierne ’n Mann heoen wulle  un ork meinde, et wäre sus neimes in de Kapellen, sau sank et „O hilge sunte Anne, help mie doch bald tom Manne.  Du kennst ‘n ja wull.“  De Hoster stand awerst hunner de Altare un hore dat, da rep he mit ‘ner gans schrogerigen Stimme: „Du kriggst ‘n nig, Du kriggst ‘n nig.“  Dat Maken awest meinde dat Marienkinnneken, dat bei derMudder Anne steiht hedde dat um to ropen, de war et beuse un reip: „Pepperlepep dumme Blae, halt de Schnuten un lat de Mohme kuhren (die Mutter reden).“

    (translated 26 August 2020)

    There was a maken from Brakel to the five Annen chapels under Hinnenborg, and because et gierne ‘n man heoen wulle un ork meinde, et would be sus neimes in the chapels, sau sank et “O hilge sunte Anne, help me soon tom Manne. You know ‘n ja wull. “De hoster stood awerst hunner de Altare un hore dat, da rep he with a goose scruffy voice:” You krigg’ n nig, you krigg ‘n nig. “Dat Maken awest meinde dat Marienkinnneken, dat with the Mudder Anne, hedde dat to ropen, de war et beuse un reip: “Pepperlepep stupid Blae, halt de Schnuten un lat de Mohme kuhren (the mother talk).”

    <<???>>

     

    Ne beste kamer harr’ wi nit.

    Dorüm dat Jüngsken ut dat finstrer schitt.

    Jedoch-o weh-en Unglück gafst’dorbi:

    En Ratsmanngung akfrat vorbi,

    De hätt dat traktamente frum genuomen:

    Un if sin an den Raaf gekuomen.

    (translated 08 January 2015)

    Ne best kamer harr ‘wi nit.

    Dorüm dat dat Jüngsken ut gloomy schitt.

    But-alas-en misfortune gafst’dorbi:

    En councilor Gung akfrat vorbi,

    De’d dat traktamente frum genuomen:

    Un sin if gekuomen to the Rav.

    <<???>>

     

    Once again I have to hope there can be more to these notes than hatred against Jews.  Though I accept the hatred of Jews had for the longest time to wide a public acceptance, I cannot help but hope that there is some redeemability to the message of these notes.  That hatred is not all there is.

     

    Jack

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    Thanks John,

    excluding some of the more evil subjects, I would almost accept as given that you were a) around to invent German notgeld, and b) spent enough time wandering German history taking notes on subject matter on the nearest convenient surface.

    You seem that aware of notgeld.

    :)

    Jacks

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    Thanks John – the piece has been posted to you. :good:

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    Hi Jack,

    the Bordelum notes are partly in High German and partly in  Nordergoesharder Friesisch, one of the ten surviving North Frisian dialects.  Fif-en-söbenti Pen. is, in High German : Fünfundsiebzig Pf. (75 pfennigs).  Pen. or P are abbrevaiations of the Frisian word Penning, where Pf. or Pfg. or common abbrevaitaions of the High German Pfennig.

    The motto Lewwer düad üs Slaav! (“Rather dead than a slave!”) is on a large number of notes from the Prussian province of Schleswig-Holstein (with a lot of variant dialect spellings).  It is connected to the tradition of the Friesische Freiheit, Frisian Freedom, the claim sunk in the mists of time that the peoples of Frisia were granted freedom of all lordship save that of the Emperor alone, as a reward for their warriors’ bravery in imperial service.  Frisian and Low German variants of the motto gained currency in Northern Frisia during the 1840s and in the aftermath of the Great War, particularly before, during and after the plebiscites of 1920 which decided the post-war fate of Northern Schleswig. There is a classical pedigree to the phrase, in Cicero’s mors mihi est servitude potior.

    Hope this helps!  Best wishes as always.

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    Greetings,

     

    Now we look at Bordelum, series 143.

     

    Fif en sobenti Pen.
    (translated 22 August 2020)
    Fif en sobenti Pen.
    <<???>>

     

     

    Lewwer düad üs slaav!

    (translated 22 August 2020)

    Lewwer düad üs slaav!

    <<???>>

     

    Possibly a regional dialect??

     

    thanks for all help.

     

    Jack

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    Thanks,

    It was helpful and incredibly informative.

    It is sad situation that symbol that was respectable so long over so much of the world is now tainted.  Though Hindus and some other faiths still are able to see the original meaning in the swastika, the Nazi’s have ruined it for a greater portion of the planet.

     

    What once meant ‘sun’ or ‘good fortune’. now represents some of worst fortunes of the twentieth century.

     

    Will submit the next one soon.

    Jack

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    Hi Jack,

    The verses on the reverse of the notes seem to come from three sources.

    The ones on the Wohldenberg hunting note (25 Pf. #1),  the Bodensteiner Klippen note (50 Pf. #2) and the castle ruins note (75 Pf. #1) seem to be by a local poet (going by the references to the Ambergau, which is very small and not renowned in German literature) and strike a pseudo-Romantic note.

    The ones on the church note (25 Pf. #2), the townscape note (50 Pf. #1) and the dean’s house note (50 Pf. # 3) are anti-Semitic and seem to derive from a far-right nationalist source, perhaps a newspaper , periodical or flyer;  putting them together is interesting as the metre is similar and they may well be the work of one author.  NB the “dwarven horde”, with its baleful power of gold to corrupt the warriors, is likely racialist code for Jews corrupting Aryans; the word Aryan itself is from an Indo-European root meaning “warrior”.

    I think that the verse on the Merian engraving note (75 Pf. #3) likely belongs to this latter group, with its dark mumblings about German tribal lands and the phobic eye-rolling about the worm gnawing on the (German) oak and weakening it for destruction in the next storm.

    I can identify the verses on the 1-Mark notes exactly.   The  notes are devoted to the humorist and poet Wilhelm Busch (1832-1908) : one has his portrait and one has his grave at Mechtshausen near Bockenem (Grabstätte Wilhelm Buschs in Mechtshausen bei Bockenem).  The obverse of the first has two quotations from his works, from Die Fromme Helene (Pious Helene), one of his anti-clerical satires, the other from Julchen (Little Julia), the third work of his Knopp Trilogy.  The second note has in its entirety the poem Mein Lebenslauf (The Course My Life Has Run), written on the occasion of his 75th – and final – birthday.

    You’ve inspired me to dig a little deeper in my researches and I found a reference in an old newspaper with some interesting news!

    It seems that Herr Rehmann, the anti-semitic National Socialist publisher of the notes,  attracted the notice of the authorities with his propaganda.  The Social Democrat Newspaper Die Volksstimme (The People’s Voice), based in Magdeburg, reported on Saturday 19th August under the headline “German Nationalist Notgeld” : Recently we have been informed that in a town in Hannover Notgeld has been circulated to the values of 25, 50 and 75 Pfennigs, which not only feature the swastika but also show verses, such as : The free German man became a serf, / The Jew counterfeits German law /And passes it on to his heirs. As the Swabian Daily Sentinel (Schwäbische Tagwacht) reports, even in Württemberg propaganda has been made with these Notgeld notes, which is indicated by the discovery of an entire bundle of such notes in a forest near Stuttgart.  On this paper money it is written that : “This note can can be redeemed in my premises until 31. 12. 1923. Heinr. Rehmann, Book Printing, Bockenem.” As the official “Prussian Press Agency” has heard from the appropriate authorities, a criminal charge has been made against the publisher of these Notgeld notes, Herr Rehmann in Bockenem, by the State Prosecutor in Hildesheim.                                                 

    What I find interesting here – apart from Herr Rehmann getting his come-uppance – is that the notes were clearly being used in a far-right propaganda campaign to spread the perverted gospel of anti-Semitism across the Republic, over a year before the Nazis’ attempted coup in Munich in November 1923.  A whole bundle of them found in a forest in far-away Swabia seems to indicate the widespread intended covert use of Notgeld as a political tool.

    Hope that this helps to answer your question, and adds a bit of extra interest for frequenters of the forum.

    Very best wishes in your job search.  I hope that you find something fitting and fulfilling very soon.

     

     

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    Greetings John,

    Rather helpful you are.

    As I am under employed and job searching, I find myself with quite a lot of notgeld time.  This might distract me a bit from the depressing situation.

     

    On the last set, only question thus far… are all the verses on the various notes part of a single literary work?

     

    Jack

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    Hi Tony, what a lovely note.  It would probably be classed as a Spendenschein as it give thanks for the Spende (donation) of 5 Kronen to assist the work of Perchtoldsdorf’s Healthcare at Home organisation (Hauskrankenpflege).

    It seems to show Christ at the healing / restoring to life of Jairus’ daughter, and the verse is entirely Christian in tone and content.

    I’ve translated it as accurately as possible while retaining the sense of verse :

    A star has arisen
    In a blue-tinged night
    It has brought wholeness
    To all those who live in fear
    Caused by suffering.

    Its eye blinks sweetly
    At the sick and the weary
    And gives peace and consolation :
    O Lord, you are love indeed.

    And if from out of this heart
    A sun ray lights up yours,
    Then you will feel another’s pain
    And weep with them who weep.
    Then light shall fall upon you,
    To see, in pain’s dark night,
    The star under which we live :
    God. – Charity.- The pow’r of love.

     

     

     

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    Oops!  Formatting issues in previous post! Apologies.  Will try to sort out :)

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    Hi Jack,

    Hope that all is well.  The Bockenem series is indeed anti-Semitic, as it was issued by the local printer and publisher Heinrich Rehmann, an ardent National Socialist who printed at his own cost Bernhard Rust’s Nazi newspaper, the weekly Niedersächsischer Beobachter (Lower Saxony Observer), re-established in 1925 after the ban on the NSDAP was lifted (source : Detlef Mühlberger’s Hitler’s Voice, 2004).

    Ambergau was a small, county-sized region of the Prussian province of Hannover, centred on the town of Bockenem.  It was a historic rather than administrational designation.  Each note bears the coat of arms of Bockenem, with the colours of the Diocese of Hildesheim, upon which there is a heraldic Turnierkragen, or in the English language of heraldry a label of seven points argent of the counts of Wohldenberg who first granted the town its charter.  And yes, it looks like a comb or a saw.  But isn’t.

    Each of the ten very colourful notes has different verses on the front and different pictures on the back, and the series would be delightful except for the underlying toxic creed of racial hatred which comes to the fore on a number of occasions.

    I’ve tidied up the translations a bit, clarified some queries and put them in the order that Lindman and Grabowski / Mehl have the notes in their catalogues.  Hope that this is useful.

    25 Pfennig # 1 :

    Von stolzer Höhe Burgruinen ragen,
    Uns Kunde gebend aus der Vorzeit Grau,
    Von blut’gen Fehden die dort einst geschlagen,
    Von Rittern, die geherrscht im Ambergau.

    (From proud heights castle ruins rise,                                                                                                                                                                                                                    To tell us tales from times of misty past,                                                                                                                                                                                                                Of bloody feuds that once were fought there,                                                                                                                                                                                                        Of knights who ruled in Ambergau.)

    Auf reichen Fluren goldne Saaten sprießen,
    Ein Flüßchen windet sich durch blum’ge Au,
    Und aus den Tälern Städt’ u. Dörfer grüßen,
    Gott schütze immer dich, mein Ambergau.

    (Upon rich meadows golden seeds do sprout,                                                                                                                                                                                                     A little river winds its way through flowery fields,                                                                                                                                                                                            And towns and villages greet one from the valleys,                                                                                                                                                                                       God protect you ever, my Ambergau.)

    25 Pfennig # 2 (NB this is not two verses but one verse running from left to right)

    Der freie Deutsche ward zum Knecht,
    Der Jude fälscht das deutsche Recht
    Und gibt es seinen Erben.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Der Bauer flieht von Hof und Haus,
    Sucht über’m Meer die Stätte aus
    Zum Sterben.

    (The free German man became a serf,                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Jew counterfeits German law                                                                                                                                                                                                                     And passes it on to his heirs.
    The farmer flees from farmstead and home,                                                                                                                                                                                                        Seeks across the sea the place                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Where he will die.)

    50 Pfennig # 1 (NB this is not two verses but one verse running from left to right)

    Es haust im Land der Zwerge Schar,
    Die Niflheims schwarze Nacht gebar.  –
    Der Ring der Nibelungen
    Hat durch des schnöden Goldes Macht
    Die Sieger aus der Reckenschlacht                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bezwungen.

    (In this land lives the dwarven horde,                                                                                                                                                                                                              Who birthed the dark night of Niflheim. –                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Ring of the Nibelungs,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    By the power of filthy lucre,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Has conquered the victors of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The warriors’ battle.)

    50 Pfennig # 2 (NB this is not two verses but one longer verse running from left to right)

    Hoch oben die ragenden Klippen
    So ernst und grau und alt,
    Am Abhang Büsche und Haide                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ringsum der grünende Wald.
    Und mitten in blühender Wildnis                                                                                                                                                                                                             Umblüht von der rotbraunen Heid’
    Ein Reh mit leuchtenden Augen,
    Ein Reh – oder ist’s eine Maid?
    Ich habe sie oft gesehen
    Und meinte, ich kennte sie,
    Die Klippen und all ihre Schöne:
    So schön sah ich sie nie.

    (High above the towering cliffs                                                                                                                                                                                                                             So grave and grey and old,                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Upon the slope bushes and scrubland                                                                                                                                                                                                       Surrounded by the verdant forest.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   And in the middle of this flowering wasteland                                                                                                                                                                                                 In the midst of the blooming russet heath                                                                                                                                                                                                           A deer with sparkling eyes,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     A deer – or is it a maiden?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       I have seen them oftentimes                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And thought that I did know them,                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The cliffs and all their beauty : –
    I have never seen them so beautiful.)

    50 Pfennig # 3 (NB this is not two verses but one verse running from left to right)

    Statt Königsmacht herrscht Judengold
    Die Kunst ist fein;
    Im Judensold
    Muß sich der Edle bücken. –
    Der Jude frech, der Deutsch bleich,
    Zerbrich, du schönes Deutsches Reich
    In Stücken!

    (Instead of royal power it is Jewish gold that reigns,                                                                                                                                                                                    Such arts are slyly clever;                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The noble man must bow and scrape                                                                                                                                                                                                             Once in the service of the Jew.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Jew is insolent,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               The German pale,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     O break, ye beautiful German Reich                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Into pieces!)

    75 Pfennig # 1 (NB this is not two verses but one verse running from left to right)

    Du lieblich Land,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        in deines Reichtum’s Fülle
    Umrahmt von Bergen rings,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                wohin ich schau
    Wie weihevoll ist deiner Wälder Stille,
    Du teures Heimatland, mein Ambergau.

    (You lovely land,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       In the fullness of your riches                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Surrounded by by mountains all around,                                                                                                                                                                                                             Where e’er I look                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 How holy is the stillness of your forests,                                                                                                                                                                                                            You dear country, my Ambergau.)

    75 Pfennig # 2 (NB this is not two verses but one verse running from left to right)

    Wach auf, du alter Kampfesmut,
    Germanenblut,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Berserkerwut
    Zum Letzten will ich werben.
    Wer nicht als Sklave leben mag.
    Dann winkt der große Rachetag
    Zum Sterben.

    Awake, you old fighting spirit,                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Germanic blood,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Berserker’s rage                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That I want to proclaim to the end.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     To him who would not live as a slave                                                                                                                                                                                                                The great day of vengeance thus beckons                                                                                                                                                                                                          To his death.)

    75 Pfennig # 3 (NB this is not two verses but one verse running from left to right)

    Rings tiefe Nacht auf deutschen Gau’n,
    Am Firmament kein Stern zu schau’n,
    Das Dunkel zu erhellen;                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Am Stamm der Eiche nagt der Wurm,
    Sie wankt, es kann der nächste Sturm Sie fallen!

    (All around the deepest night upon German tribal lands                                                                                                                                                                                In the sky no star to be seen                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  To light the darkness;
    On the trunk of the oak the worm does gnaw,
    It shakes, the next storm can fell it!)

    1 Mark # 1

    Das Gute – dieser Satz steht fest
    Ist stets das Böse, was man läßt!
    (Goodness – the principle is unassailable –                                                                                                                                                                                                   Consists of the evil from which one refrains!)

    Eins zwei drei! im Sauseschritt                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Läuft die Zeit,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wir laufen mit. –
    (One two three! Time doth fly,                                                                                                                                                                                                                           And we walk alongside. -)

    1 Mark # 2

    Mein Lebenslauf ist bald erzählt. – In stiller Ewigkeit verloren schlief ich, und nichts hat mir gefehlt, bis daß ich sichtbar ward geboren.
    Was aber nun? – Auf schwachen Krücken, ein leichtes Bündel auf dem Rücken bin ich getrost dahin geholpert, bin über manchen Stein gestolpert mitunter grad, mitunter krumm, und schließlich mußt ich mich verschnaufen; bedenklich rieb ich meine Glatze und sah mich in der Gegend um.
    Ohweh! Ich war im Kreis gelaufen, stand wiederum am alten Platze, und vor mir dehnt sich lang und breit wie ehedem, die Ewigkeit.
    Wilhelm Busch
    (My life’s journey is soon told. – I slept, lost, in silent eternity, and lacked nothing until I was apparently born.                                                                            But what now? – On feeble crutches, a light bundle upon my back, I hobbled happily hence, stumbled over many a stone, walked sometimes tall and sometimes hunched over, until finally I had to pause for breath;  in a state of apprehension and doubt I rubbed my hand across my balding head and looked around the place that I had ended up.                                                                                                                                                                                                     O woe!  I had gone around in a circle, stood in the same old place, and before me stretches, broad and long as before, eternity.                                        Wilhelm Busch                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        March 1907)

    Using the text given, the reverse sides show :

    25 Pf. # 1 : Wohldenberg (Jagdzug) : [Castle of] Wohldenberg (Hunting Party)

    25 Pf. # 2 : Kirche St Pankratii : Church of St Pancras

    50 Pf. # 1 : Stadt Bockenem :  Town of Bockenem

    50 Pf. # 2 : Bodensteiner Klippen : the cliffs at Bodenstein

    50 Pf. # 3 : Superintendentur. Quartier des Feldherrn Tilly am Tage vor der Schlacht a. Barenberge : Dean’s House.  General Tilly’s quarters on the day before the Battle of [Lutter on] the Barenberge

    75 Pf. # 1 : Wohldenberg (Ruine und Aussichtsturm) : Wohldenberg (ruins and watchtower)

    75 Pf. # 2 : Stättlein Borelem im Stift Hildesheim · Nach Merian aus dem Jahre 1651 : Little town of Borelem [abberrant spelling of Bockenem on the original Merian engraving] in the Diocese of Hildesheim, according to Merian in the year 1651

    1 Mark # 1 : Wilhelm Busch

    1 Mark # 2 : Grabstätte Wilhelm Buschs in Mechtshausen bei Bockenem : Grave of Wilhelm Busch in Mechtshausen near Bockenem

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    Greetings,
    The town today is Bockenem. The group is supposedly antisemetic. Perhaps better translations will help me to fully understand why. I have often said money has a message for those holding it. This a series of Notgeld whose message society could have done without.

    On all notes:

    Ambergau notgeld
    (translated 04 January 2015)
    Ambergau emergency money

    Ambergau???

    25 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 046268
    Writing on the back:
    Don stolzer höhe Bergruinen ragen,
    Uns Kunde gebend aus der Vorzeit Grau,
    Von blut’gen Fehden die dorf einst geschlagen,
    Von Rittern, die geherrscht im Ambergau
    (translated 04 January 2015)
    Don proud altitude mountain ruins stand,
    About Us Customer crucial from the past Grey,
    Bloody feuds of the village once beaten,
    From knights who ruled in Ambergau
    <<???>>

    Auf reichen Fluren goldne Saafen sprießen,
    Ein Flüßchen windet sich durch blum’ge Au,
    Und aus den Iälern Stadt’ u. Dörfer grüßen,
    Gott schütze immer dich, mein Ambergau.
    (translated 04 January 2015)
    In rich golden corridors Saafen sprout,
    A creek winds through blum’ge Au,
    And from the Iälern city ‘u. Villages greet
    God always bless you, my Ambergau.
    <<???>>

    25 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 016337
    Writing on the front:
    Der freie Deutsche ward zum Knecht,
    Der Jude fälscht das deutsche Recht
    Und gibt es feinen Erben.
    (translated 05 January 2015)
    The free German became a servant,
    The Jew fakes the German law
    And there are fine heirs.
    <not sure about last line>
    <<???>>

    Der Bauer flieht von hof und haus,
    Sucht über’m Meer die Stätte aus
    Zum Sterben.
    (translated 05 January 2015)
    The farmer will flee from yard and house,
    Addiction across the sea from the site
    To die for.
    <<???>>

    50 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 036124
    Writing on the back:
    Stadtt Königsmacht herricht Judengold
    Die Kunst ist fein;
    Im Judensold
    Muß sich der Edle bücken
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    Town T royal power mr ot Jews Gold
    The art is fine;
    The Jews Sold
    Has to stoop of the Noble
    <<???>>

    Der Jude frech, der Deutsch bleich,
    Zerbrich, du schönes Deutsches Reich
    In Stücken!
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    The Jew naughty, the German pale,
    Break, you beautiful German Empire
    In pieces!
    <<???>>>

    50 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 076873
    Writing on the back:
    Hoch oben die ragenden Klippen
    So ernst und grau und alt,
    Am Abhang Büsche und haide Ringsum grünende Wald.
    Und mitten in blühender Wildnis Amblüht von der rotbraunen Heid’
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    High above the towering cliffs
    So seriously and gray and old,
    On the slope bushes and haide Round verdant forest.
    And in the middle of blooming wild amblüht of the red-brown heath
    <<???>>

    Ein Reh mit leuchtenden Augen,
    Ein Reh – oder ist’s eine Maid?
    Ich habe sie ost gesehen
    Und meinte, ich kennte sie,
    Die Klippen und all ihre Schöne:
    So schön sah ich sie nie.
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    A deer with bright eyes,
    A deer – or is it a maid?
    I have seen them east
    And said that if I knew it,
    The cliffs and all its beauty:
    So beautiful I never saw it.
    <<???>>

    50 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 006952
    Writing on the back:
    Es haust im Land ber Zwerge Schar,
    Die Niflheims schwarze Nacht gebar –
    Der Ring der Nibelungen
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    It lives in the country over Gnomes multitude,
    The Niflheim black night gave birth –
    The Ring of the Nibelungs
    <<???>>

    Hat durch des schnöden Goldes Macht
    Die Sieger aus der Reckenschlacht Bezwungen.
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    Has the power filthy gold
    The winner of the drawing battle defeated.
    <<???>>

    75 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 056524
    Writing on the front:
    Stättlein Borelem im Stift Hildesheim
    Nach Merian aus dem Jahre 1651.
    (translated 04 January 2015)
    Stättlein Borelem in pen Hildesheim
    After Merian from the year 1651st
    <<???>>

    Writing on the back:
    Rings tiefe Nacht auf deutschen Gau’n,
    Am Firmament kein Stern zu schau’n,
    Das Dunkel zu er hellen;
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    Ring deep night on German Gau’n,
    The firmament no rating for schau’n,
    The darkness light to it;
    <<???>>

    Am Stamm der Eiche nagt der Wurm,
    Sie wankt, es kann der nächste Sturm Sie fallen!
    (translated 06 January 2015)
    On the trunk of the oak gnawing worm,
    She shakes it, the next storm, you fall!
    <<???>>

    75 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 066234
    Writing on the back:
    Du lieblich Land, in deines, Reichtum’s Fülle
    Amrahmt von Bergen rings, wohin ich schau
    (translated 07 January 2015)
    You lovely country, in your Wealth’s wealth
    Surrounded by mountains around wherever I look
    <<???>>

    Wie weihevoll ist deiner Wälder Stille,
    Du teures Heimatland, mein Ambergau.
    (translated 07 January 2015)
    How is your solemn silence forests,
    You expensive home country, my Ambergau.
    <<???>>

    75 pfennig, 31 December 1923, 086982
    Writing on the back:
    Wach auf, du alter Kampfesmut,
    Germanenblut, Berserkerwut
    Zum Letzten will ich werben.
    (translated 07 January 2015)
    Wake up, you old fighting spirit,
    German blood, Berserker
    To the last, I want to advertise.
    <<???>>

    Wer nicht als Sklave leben mag.
    Dann winkt der große Rachetag
    Zum Sterben.
    (translated 07 January 2015)
    Who does not like to live as a slave.
    Then beckons the great vengeance Day
    To die for.
    <<???>>

    01 Mark, 31 December 1923, 096727
    Writing on the back:

    Das Gute – dieser Satz steht fest
    Ist stets das Böse, was man läßt!
    (translated 07 January 2015)
    The good – this sentence is clear
    Is always evil, what you can!
    <<???>>

    Eins zwei drei! Im Sauseschritt Läuft die Zeit, wir laufen mit.
    (translated 07 January 2015)
    One two three! In Sauseschritt If the time, we run with.
    <<???>>

    01 Mark, 31 December 1923, 026660

    Writing on the back:
    Mein Lebenslauf ist bald erzählt. – in stiller Ewigkeit verloren schlief ich, und nichts hat mir gefehlt, bis daß ich sichtbar ward geboren.
    Was aber nun? – Auf schwachen Krücken, ein leichtes Bündel auf dem Rücken bin ich geirost dahin geholpert, bin über manchen Stein gestolpert mitunter grad, mitunter krumm, und schließlich mußt ich mich verschnaufen; bedenklich reib ich meine Glaße und sah mich in der Gegend um.
    Ohweh! Ich war im kreis gelaufen, stand wiedurum am alten Platze, und vor mir dehnt sich lang und breit wie ehedem, die Ewigkeit.
    Wilhelm Busch
    März 1907
    (translated 07 January 2015)
    My resume is soon told. – Lost in silent eternity I slept, and nothing was missing, was born until I was visible.
    But what now? – On weak crutches, a light bundle on his back I’m geirost geholpert meaning’m some stone sometimes stumbled degree, sometimes crooked, and finally I’ve got to catch me; I rub my concern glass and looked around the area.
    Ohweh! I was running in circles, wiedurum stood at the old place, and before me stretches long and wide as ever, eternity.
    Wilhelm Busch
    March 1907
    <<???>>

    Thanks,
    Jack

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    I just received this Austrian notgeld for 5 Kronen, issued in Perchtoldsdorf. It is described as a ‘Schatzschein’ (Treasury note). You don’t see it that often so I thought I should post it here. if the verse on the top of the obverse is interesting, can someone translate it please? – No rush!!…..

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    Hi Jack,

    The Harz is a lovely region of Germany which I’ve enjoyed visiting on a couple of occasions.  The mountains are packed with fir trees on the surface – which is why we see the fir tree on the obverse of the 5 Pf. and 25 Pf, notes – and with ore below the surface, hence the old Harz folk song, the first lines of which are on all the notes in the set : Es grüne die Tanne, / Es wachse das Erz – / Gott schenk uns allen / Ein fröhliches Herz (“Let the pine tree stay green, let the ore grow in the earth, / May God give us all a cheerful heart”).  You can hear a nice male-choir version on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB5nlUgPXeo.

    “Gegen diesen Gutschein zahlen umstehende Firmen an den Überbringer“ means “The firms listed overleaf will pay the bearer for this voucher“. On the back of the note are fourteen guarantors of the note, including a newspaper (the Blankenburger Kreisblatt), two banks and three hotels, which also gives us an idea of where these collectors’ editions, these Serienscheine, could be purchased locally.

    The figure on the 10 Pf. and 25 Pf. notes is a Wild Man, a stock character of local legend, a giant wearing a loin cloth and cap of foliage, armed with an entire pine tree ripped out at the roots.  One story tells of the capture of such a woodwose by miners who took him to the Duke of Brunswick, only to have their captive die of wounds on the way; they buried him at a place which is now the Goslar suburb of Wildemann.

    On the reverse is a witch on a broomstick.  The Harz is rife with witch stories, especially as a result of Goethe’s famous Witches’ Sabbat on the Brocken Mountain in the greatest work of German drama, Faust. The people of the Harz are so witch-obsessed that every motorway sign in the region which points out local towns and attractions has the figure of a witch flying above.  You can go to the Witches’ Dance Floor, a tourist site with a children’s playground and petting zoo, via cable car above the town of Thale, to find a statue of the Devil and a demon and a rather naked witch.  Um.  It truly is Witch Country up there in the Harz.  Everywhere you go, you can buy plush witches, witch dolls, witch postcards, witch schnapps, etc etc. It’s like a year-round Halloween up there.

    You can find the motif of the fir tree, any number of witches and the Wild Man on lots of notes from a number of towns in the Harz region.

    Hope that this helps.

    Best wishes as always,

    John

     

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    Greetings,

     

    Now we look at Blankenburg am Harz.  Series 113.1 to be precise.  This is a nice group to see how the locals viewed some of the places within their area.  Also, this is the first time I recal seeing a note reading ‘Bills in which the number is completely or partially missing will not be redeemed.’.

     

     

    05 pfg, Rathaus, 15 Okt 1920, # 78536

    (same text it seems on the fronts of all notes in the series)

    Writing on the front:

    Es grüne die Tanne es wachse das Erz,

    Gott schenke uns allen ein fröhliches herz

    (translated 17 August 2020)

    The fir tree grows green, the ore grows,

    God give us all a happy heart

    >>>use of ore questionable<<<

     

    Gegen diesen Zahlen umstehende Firmen

    an den Überbringer

    (translated 17 August 2020)

    Companies around against these numbers

    to the deliverer

    <<???>>

    <not sure I follow the translation>

     

     

     

    10 pfg, Burg Regenstein Teilanscicht, 15 Okt 1920, # 120649

    (same on the 50 pfg note)

    Thoughts on the front image:

     

    Seems to be some kind of unknown figure I have not figured out…

    …figure is the same on front and back…

     

    The other notes have a tree.  For some reason I am getting an idea of the Christmas truce…

     

    Thanks for your thoughts on this.

     

    Jack

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    John,

     

    It did indeed.  I was never good at them, so I must be excessively grateful that Tony made a page for them.

    Thank you to you both for the work put into that entry.

     

    Jack

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    Hi Jack,

    and a Happy New Year to you.  Glad to hear that the Bielefeld information has been helpful.

    With regard to the images on the Bielefeld 103.5a series, they aren’t house marks but rebuses.  I deciphered, translated and commented on them all for Tony some time ago, and he’s kept the information in an article on the site. It’s under Categories > Serienscheine > Specific towns > towns (A-L) > * Bielefeld RUEBCHEN, and is available for viewing, like the Forum, to all good GNCC members like yourself.

    Hope this helps!

    Happy collecting in 2024 and best wishes as always,

    John

     

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    Bielefeld 103.5a

     

    First, thanks for all the help on this town this far.  The concept of House Marks and how the evolved into personal signatures was fascinating.

     

    along those lines, could the images in the circled insets in this group also be house marks?

     

    thanks, Jack

     

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    Good spot John!

    Thanks for clarifying. Only you would have known so all’s well that ends well! :good:

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    Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year to everyone for 2024

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    ERRATUM : Edit to post about Bielefeld 5 Mark piece, 1st November 1918

    Dear Jack, dear all,

    apologies for the error in my post on the aforementioned.   In the third from last paragraph, I asserted that “on the reverse, the text on the left side feeds into the text on the right side : “Redeemable at all public finance offices in Bielefeld and finance offices in Westphalia, in both town and country”.  It is in fact “Redeemable at all public finance offices in Bielefeld and Halle, in both town and country” (Einlösung erfolgt durch alle öffentlichen Kassen in Bielefeld und Halle, Stadt und Land).  I misread the word Halle, thinking the letter H to be a K, the letters l to be upright letters s and the curlicue on the final e as an n, thus : Kassen.  With the disadvantages of neither being German nor over the age of 90, I’m not a fluent writer or reader of the Kurrent and Sütterlin scripts.

    Halle refers here not to the large city in Saxony, Halle on the Saale, but to the rather more modest Westphalian district of Halle (Kreis Halle) which existed from 1816 until 1972, when it was incorporated into the Kreis of Gütersloh (which also permanently borrowed parts of Bielefeld).

    I noticed this error when I was working on another Bielefeld note, the 1-Mark piece from 15th May 1921, where the terms for redemption specifically include Kreis Halle, in a very legible Roman script : Eingelöst werden diese Platzanweisungen bei allen städtischen Kassen in Bielefeld und im Kreise Halle i. W.  

    Once again, apologies for any confusion … and a Happy New Year!

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    Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all !!!!!

     

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    Hi Marcel!

    Great info and thanks for posting here. Ringo knows his stuff and is a nice guy which is always helpful. :-)

    Have a great Christmas. :good:

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    PIRNA

    I have more information about the Pirna notes from the writer Ringo Straudt of the books “Alfred Hanf, 100 Jahre künstlerisches Notgeld für Erfurt, Gebedesee, Sömmerda und Weissensee, Entwürfe, Proben und Geschichte(n) and “Zollscheine der DDR und ähnliche Belege”. The last book he co-wrote it with Kai Lindman.

    “In my opinion, the notes from Pirna are not customs notes but special prints for the city’s anniversary. As far as I have researched, they are reprints of the original printing plates, commissioned by the Pirna Numismatics Group (in the GDR Cultural Association) at the time.

    There are variants:
    1) Front edge print “750 years of the city of Pirna”, back edge print “FESTIVE WEEK 24.6.-3.7.1983”
    a) KN 4-digit star – 100 + 500 million (perhaps all KN <500?)
    b) No KN 04-digit – 100 million + 10 billion (maybe all KN 500-1000?)
    2 )Front edge print “750 years of the city of Pirna”, back edge print “Kulturbund … 9th district coin exhibition 1983″

    a) KN 4-digit star – 100 + 500 million (maybe all KN >2000?)
    b) No KN 4 digits – 100 + 500 million + 10 billion (maybe all KN 1000-2000?)”

    ((“Die Scheine aus Pirna sind meiner Meinung keine Zollscheine sondern Sonderdrucke zum Stadtjubiläum. So weit ich das recherchiert habe, sind es Reprints von den originalen Druckplatten, das hat die Fachgruppe Numismatik Pirna (im Kulturbund der DDR) damals in Auftrag gegeben.

    Es gibt Varianten:
    1) Vorderseite Randdruck “750 Jahre Stadt Pirna”, Rückseite Randdruck “FESTWOCHE 24.6.-3.7.1983”
    a) KN 4stellig Stern – 100 + 500 Mio (vielleicht alle KN <500?)
    b) No KN 04stellig – 100 Mio + 10 Mrd (vielleicht alle KN 500-1000?)
    2) Vorderseite Randdruck “750 Jahre Stadt Pirna”, Rückseite Randdruck “Kulturbund … 9. Kreismünzausstellung 1983″
    a) KN 4stellig Stern – 100 + 500 Mio (vielleicht alle KN >2000?)
    b) No KN 4stellig – 100 + 500 Mio + 10 Mrd (vielleicht alle KN 1000-2000?)”))

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    Thanks.  A quick review has a few questions.  I will give it more detailed look and see what am actually still confused by.

    Enjoy your holidays please

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    John – you are indeed a 6 star forum guru!! :good: :yahoo:

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    …..so they used the notgeld design from 1921 for these later entry tickets. When do the entry tickets date from – do we know?

    Thanks for showing Marcel :good:

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    ‘Kriegsgeld’ – war money – so it would cover or be a description used on some pieces that should all date between 1914 – 1918……….BUT they don’t!!

    For me, I think it was a term mainly used on verkehrsausgaben issues dating from 1917-1920…….??

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    Hi Jack,

    The 2-Mark Bielefeld note of 15th May / July 1921 is a fascinating one, celebrating the (belated) 700th anniversary of the first town charter of 1214.  It examines aspects of the town’s history, viz. the miraculous spring of the Kesselbrink, the accession of the King of Westphalia and historical Hausmarken (house marks) on venerable buildings of the town.

    The centre of the obverse side is taken up with a rendition of an anonymous 17th-century engraving of the Fontis Bilfeldiani (Bielefeld Spring) which bubbled up on the central square of Bielefeld, the Kesselbrink, in July of 1666 and was said to have healing powers.

    The text, which begins in the left-hand cartouche and continues in the right-hand one, reads : “Healing spring in Bielefeld on the Köttelbrink [old name of the Kesselbrink]. 438 miraculous and successful cures in 11 weeks from 11th July until 22nd September 1666 /  This health-giving fount was a cure for open sores on the legs, gout, blindness, rheumatoid thumbs, paralysed limbs, open wounds and epilepsy. A medication against corns. / Underweight horses who chewed on the grass next to the healing spring grew fatter and healthy. [attested by] Dr Redecker.”

    The engraving shows the halt and the lame being brought to the healing waters and being bathed in it by assistants.  Sadly, the miraculous spring dried up again soon after, and the Kesselbrink was turned into a parade ground from 1713 onwards.  Today it’s the site of the main Saturday market and has a skateboard park.

    The reverse side of the note, in the corners, show the crutches of the those healed left hanging in the trees around the Kesselbrink.  (I remember seeing a similar sight as a 10-year-old visitor to Lourdes in 1976, where a huge number of crutches and walking sticks were hung on lines above the grotto.  I went again a couple of years ago but they’re not there any more.)

    The main feature of the reverse are the house marks.  These were common in Germany, the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries as family emblems which would be scratched /chiselled onto houses and could then be etched onto moveable property such as ploughs, tools etc.  Similarly, the brand marks put on cattle in the Wild West would correspond to the symbol of a particular ranch (e.g. the Lazy Y, etc).  There are a whole host of examples on the Rüstringen Serienscheine.  Here, the address and / or name of the house is given, sometimes with the year in which it was built.  The house names are Haus Consbruch, Haus Ziemann, Haus Begemann, Haus Poggenpohl, Haus Klasing, [H]aus Brakwede [Brackwede in the modern spelling – site of the old town musuem], and the Krameramts Haus.  The addresses are on Obernstrasse, Breitestrasse and Niedernstrasse.  The years of building include 1086 [maybe stretching credulity a little, or maybe intended to be 1686], 1553, 1566, 1593, 1631 and 1675.  Sometimes the Hausmarken are augmented by initials to further identify either the family, the builder or the current incumbent :  BL, AB, LF, BF, C, AR, GS, W, XS.  The house at Breitestrasse 10 also has what seems to be pair of compasses or what may be a stylised letter A (or both).  At the bottom centre is also a Tormarke, a gate mark, with a symbol that looks like a cart, perhaps the easily decipherable mark of a family of gatekeepers whose emblem indicated their residence to be the entrance for carts into the town.

    The text at the centre of the note recalls the respect which the Bielefelders were required in 1807 to accord to the new King of Westphalia, Jérôme Bonaparte, apart from one of their number who may not have wished Napoleon’s brother as his ruler.  It recalls that on the occasion of the festival lighting-up of the town for the French king Jerôme [sic] the lawyer Hoffbauer only put out a single tallow lamp in front of his house (Syndikus Hoffbauer stellte bei der Festbeleuchtung für den Franzosen-König Jerôme nur ein Talglicht aus).  It goes on to give the inscription (presumably painted or etched onto the house to commemorate the act of defiance) quoting the lawyer’s ironic words : “Greatness casts its own light, and needs not all these other lights : so I will only provide a little light for my king who is so great.”

    The text at the bottom of the reverse side refers back to the healing spring on the obverse : “Gout, blindness and rheumatoid fingers, corns and other things, were healed so thoroughly and quickly by the spring at Kesselbrink. The water healed people of their vanity and put a bit of substance [using the metaphor of meat fat] into their soup.”  The verse is modern, parodying the doctor’s attestation overleaf; it slyly adds the idea of an erstwhile cure for vanity (cocking a snook at the vanity of King Jérôme in requiring his new and non-consensual subjects to be delighted by their new king); and ends with a nonsense rhyme to puncture any high-flown ideas.

    Note the typical Bielefeld Notgeld turnips hiding in the side panels.  Speaking of turnips, let’s have a look at the 5-Mark Bielefeld note from 1st November 1918 as requested …

    The obverse has the text : “Pay the bearer of this note five marks” (Zahle an den Überbringer dieser Platzanweisung Fünf Mark).  NB The issuer, the Municipal Savings Bank of Bielefeld (Stadtsparkasse Bielefeld) commonly calls its notes Platzanweisungen, literally translated as “seat tickets” as in a theatre, cinema or train, but this is an ironic conceit to disguise in plain sight the fact that it is a note which is not intended to be redeemed or used in payment but is meant for the discerning collector. It is signed for the council (Der Magistrat) of the town of Bielefeld (Stadt Bielefeld) by three signatories, Messrs. Stapenhorst, Brüggemann and Heringhaus.

    On the left it says : “Valid until 1st February 1919” (Gültig bis 1. Februar 1919).

    On the right it says : “Emergency War Money” (Kriegsnotgeld).

    On the reverse, the text on the left side feeds into the text on the right side : “Redeemable at all public finance offices in Bielefeld and finance offices in Westphalia, in both town and country”. Kassen can mean both finance offices in the sense of the particular offices or sub-offices of a town hall or indeed the tills of a municipal savings bank.

    The central images has the words “In spite of misery and distress” (Trotz Kummer und Not).  The meaning of the smiling child with his friendly turnip is that in spite of all the hunger caused by the Allied blockade in the latter years of the Great War, in spite of the privations on the Home Front, the plucky turnip will keep German children happy as a cheap and available staple food.  This is a common joke on the Bielefeld notes, referencing the Turnip Winter of 1916-17, that the mighty turnip will get the German people through the wartime shortages, and indeed post-war shortages;  the blockade continued after the war in order to force concessions at the Paris Conference that resulted in the Treaty of Versailles.  One suspects that the joke must at some stage have worn grimly thin.

    The issue with the typefaces on many of the Bielefeld and other notes is that they are based on the Sütterlin scripts in common use until the mid-20th century.  They can be deciphered but are very daunting at first (and second, and third) glance.

    Hope that all of this is useful to you and other forum frequenters!  Wishing you and all Notgeld fans a restful and peaceful end to the year and a happy 2024!

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    addendum to last.  I did try a brief search of Tony’s site here, but if a description rather than examples for sale is present, I missed it….

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    Kreigsgeld:

     

    Is there much of a description I can work with beyond ‘Emergency War Money’?

     

    Jack

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    Greetings all,

     

    This may be the last help request this calendar year.  This respects the imminent holiday season and the desire not to disturb people’s celebrations.  Some note will have the usual issues on understanding what translations I was about to figure out.  The others are a matter of a typeface that I could not even interpret.

     

    This time we look at Bielefeld.

     

    Series Unknown:

    2 Mk, 700 years, 15 Mai 1921, # A 68152

    Writing on the front:

     

    <<<need help with symbols around center on three sides>>>

     

     

    Gicht Blindheit und auch krumme Finger Hühner Augen und auch andere.

    Dinger die heilte gründlich gut und flink die Quelle auf dem Kesselbrink.

    Das Wasser heilte Eitelkeit und gab den Suppen Fettigkeit.

    (translated 29 July 2020)

    Gout blindness and also crooked fingers, chicken eyes and others.

    Things healed well and swiftly the spring on the kettle brink.

    The water healed vanity and made the soups greasy.

    <<???>>

    (This almost makes sense to me.  What is the leap I should be making to reach understanding?)

     

    Writing on the back:

    Heilquelle in Bielefeld am Kottelbrink

    438 wunderbare Kurerfolge in elf Wochen von 4 Juli bis 22 September 1666.

    Gesundbrunnen war Heilmittel gegen offene Beine Podagra Blindheit krumme.

    (translated 30 July 2020)

    Medicinal spring in Bielefeld am Kottelbrink

    438 wonderful spa successes in eleven weeks from 4 July to 22 September 1666.

    Healthy fountain was a cure for open legs gout blindness crooked.

    <<???>>

     

     

    Daumen gelahmte Glieder.  Wunden und Epilepsie.   Arznei gegen Hühneraugen.

    Magere Pferde die kurze Graser neben der Heilquelle abnagten wurder rund und gesund Dr. med Redecker

    (translated 30 July 2020)

    Thumb paralyzed limbs. Wounds and epilepsy. Medicine for corns.

    Lean horses the short grasses next to the healing spring became round and healthy Dr. med Redecker

    <<???>>

     

    5 Mk, Turnip Baby, 01 Nov 1918, # 87232

    Writing on the front:

    Einlösung erfolgt durch alle öffentlichen Kassen in Bielefeld und Halle in Westphalia Stadt und Land

    (translated 31 July 2020)

    All public cash desks in Bielefeld and Halle in Westphalia city and country redeem the goods

    <<???>>

    (‘goods’ in this case = some form of the word ‘voucher’)

     

     

    Thoughts on the front image:

     

    >>baby holding turnip, both appear happy

     

    <<<< get help, as I fail to see how picture and text go together.

     

     

    >>text:

    Grief and distress

    >>not sure how it applies to an apparently happy note<<

     

     

    Series 103.5a (Spells Turnip in German)

    Embarrassed, I cannot read the type face used on this series.  Notes that might not have reached this point are as unreadable to me as some weird code or if some drunk set the script on these notes.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

     

    Thanks to all who consider helping,

    Jack

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    Thanks John.   As usual, it did indeed help.

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    PIRNA

    Admission tickets for the “9th coin exhibition in 1983″(see right column). And, the same notes are very likely also an admission ticket for the “feast week in 1983” (left column). These tickets are in two different serial numbers: one with “No” and one with a “star”.

    See for the catalog below: I think Ulf Lehmann made a mistake. He took the notes for two separate sets, but the admission are for the two events. (I have the 500 Millionen Mark in my own collection, I have a compare). Or someone knows more?!

     

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    Hi Jack,

    to misquote Star Trek, it is German … but not as we know it.  The quotations you mention are in Low German rather than High German (what we’d call Standard German).  There are numerous versions of Low German spread across North Germany, many of which are mutually unintelligible even for Low German speakers!

    25 Pfennig :  “Beverstedt is a village, / That doesn’t stretch to be called a town. /  The beaver will have to work harder at building, / Otherwise we’ll simply stay dammed up the way we’ve always been.”  (This expresses an aspiration for the village to grow larger and uses the stand-in metaphor of the beaver – the origin of the town’s name, depicted in its coat of arms – building larger dams to illustrate the need for the town to enlarge itself with further building works.  There is a pun in the word “stoon” (High German “stauen” : to dam, stop up) which I’ve tried to reproduce in English.

    50 Pfennig : “Our village lies on the banks of the [River] Lune, / People know it well across the land; / Because it gets its name from the beaver, / We’ve put one in the picture.”

    Hope that this helps! Happy Christmas!

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    ello,

     

    Now we look at Beverstedt, series 98.1.

    there are two quotes which I have trouble believing are German:

    Bebers is een Flecken,

    to’ne Stadt deit dat nich recken.

    De Beber mutt noch flidig boon,

    Sunst bliewt wie op’t Olle stoon

    (translated 27 July 2020)

    Bebers is a stain,

    not a city to date.

    De Beber still flidy boon,

    Sunst blows like op’t Olle stoon

     

    <and>

     

    Aus Ort de liggt an Lunestrand,

    Se kennt em all wiid hen int Land,

    Mil he sinen Nomen von’n Beber hett,

    so hefft mi den in’t Bild rinsett

    (translated 27 July 2020)

    From Ort de liggt to Lunestrand,

    He knows all of them in the country,

    Mil he own nouns from Beber,

    so it helps rinsett the in’t picture

     

    Thanks for any unscrambling you can offer.

     

    Jack

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    Hi Jack,  good to hear that the Augustenburg info was of use!

    The bell is on the reverse of the 1 Mark / 1 Krone note; on the obverse is the bell tower of the palace chapel of Schloss Augustenburg, with two bells affixed in the belfry.  One of them is much bigger than the other and located centrally within the housing (the other, smaller one hangs slightly to the side) so the big one might be the bell in question.  Unfortunately I’ve been unable to get any further information as to the importance or meaning of the solitary bell motif.  It might be that the locals were particularly proud of or emotionally attached to that bell; as a great many German church bells were melted down for war materals (such a sacrifice is commemorated on the Saulgau 10 Pfennig Verkerhrsausgabe of 15th February 1918), perhaps the lcoals are proud that they manged to retain their bell? It might even be a generic bell as a motif – a warning about the plebiscite and a potentially seismic change in people’s lives (and nationalities)?  The likely or actual tocsin sounding the death knell of German Augustenburg? A celebration of a successful plebiscite and a new future?  These are all guesses but guessing games are fun.

    The three-oaks motif is clearer in meaning.  They are the three Schwureichen (“Oath Oaks”), site of a secret meeting in 1674 between the Governor-General of Norway Ulrik Frederik Gyldenløve,  the former Grand Chancellor of Denmark Frederik Ahlefeldt and the Chamberlain Conrad Biermann.  These courtiers swore an oath to get rid of the current Danish chancellor, the parvenu Count Peder Griffenfeld, by accusing him of treason.  The reason that the date on the central oak is Anno 1676 rather than 1674 is, I think, because of a confusion in the chain of events.  Although the oath was sworn in 1674, it wasn’t until 1676 that the coup came to fruition and Griffenfeld was arrested and charged.  Spoiler alert : Griffenfeld was sentenced to death but his sentence was commuted – while he was actually on the scaffold and the axe was raised above his neck – to lifelong imprisonment.  He claimed that this was worse than the death sentence.  He may have been right; he died in prison 22 years later.  A legend subsequently grew up that the three conspirators were so offended by Griffenfeld’s behaviour because he had allegedly refused the hand in marriage of Princess Louise Charlotte, the daughter of Duke Ernst Günther of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg, a particular friend and colleague of the three.  Hence the oath in the palace gardens of Augustenburg.

    The last of the three historic oaks was felled in a storm in 1994.

    Hope that this is of interest to yourself and other forum users.

    Best wishes as always and happy collecting!

    John

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    Thanks, John, it does help a lot.  I am now left wondering about the bell and trees labeled with the year 1676.  I am wondering if that is when village and island was settled, but so far I have not found any direct evidence.

     

    Next note shortly.

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    Hope everyone is fine and OK.

    Can anyone supply me with coloured pictures of the following serienscheine revalued (OVP) pieces please?? :

    Elberfeld, Lauterberg (Bad), Lingen, Marienburg, Meppen, Neidenberg, Rees, Triebes & Winterberg     –     Thanks in advance!! :good:

    When I have pictures, I will be able to complete the related article. B-)

     

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    Hello Jack,

    As far as the Augustenburg / Augustenborg issues of 8th April 1920 (G/ M 54.1) go, both the German and Danish texts on the obverse of the 50 Pfennig notes and 1 Mark notes translate as :

    “This note will be accepted in payment up until 1st August 1920 to the value of 50 Pfennigs [or 1 Mark] at the village finance office of Augustenburg.”

    The text you’re quoting in your post is from the G/M 54.2 series issued over a year later on 15th October 1921, and both German and Danish texts translate as :

    “This note is a commemorative note in memory of the plebiscite in Zone 1 of Northern Schleswig which took place on 10th February 1920, and will not be redeemed by the village finance office of Augustenburg.”

    The Fleckenskollegium (in German) / Byraadet (in Danish) is the Village Council. A Flecken is a village smaller than a Dorf; English would often use the word “hamlet” but this is a descriptive term rather than an official designation, which it is in German. On the 54.1 notes the village is called Augustenburg in German; on the 54.2 notes, it’s called Augustenborg / Alsen (Augustenburg on the island of Alsen) in Danish.

    On the 8th April 1920 issues, the currency is in Pfennig and Mark; on the later 15th October 1921 issue it’s in Krone and Øre.

    The reason for this shift in linguistic emphasis is that when the 54.1 notes were issued, Augustenburg was hanging on to its German identity; by the time the 54.2 notes were issued, Augustenborg was most definitely Danish as a result of the plebiscite.

    The 1 Mark / 1 Krone notes have the German text “Arbeiten und nicht verzweifeln” (Work and do not despair) on the bell, whereas the 50 Pfennig / 50 Øre notes have the text surrounding the stand of oaks in a form of Danish, which seems to translate (sorry, not fluent in Danish!) as “God keep us all honest on this island that we may live blessed until death”.

    The overprint / overstamp is as far as I can see only in German : “Erinnerungsausgabe” (Commemorative Issue).

    Hope this helps! As I began to collect Notgeld I went for plebiscite notes in a big way, so these are among the earliest in my collection.

    Best wishes as always, John

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    Hi Jack – I can’t help with any of these translation requests but John or someone else will hopefully see them and reply. Just bear with everyone…….. :good:

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    Ello,

    This time we are looking at Augustenborg.  These notes tend to be well mixed in Danish and German.

    group 54.1a

    50 pfg:

    Dieser Schein gilt als Erinnerungsschein an die am 10 Februar 1920 erfolgte Abstimmung in der 1. Zone Nordschleswig und wird von der Fleckenskasse nicht wieder eingelöst.

    This appearance is considered as a reminder to the appearances on February 10, 1920 Vote in the 1. Zone Nordschleswig and is redeemed by the villagers checkout not again.

    >>

    Das Fleckskollegium, Byraadet
    Das Fleckskollegium, Byraadet
    <<???>>

    There is more, both in the orange circle and written in red ink across one side that I suspect is written in Danish.  I cannot read it.

    01 Mark:

    Dieser Schein gilt als Erinnerungsschein an die am 10 Februar 1920 erfolgte Abstimmung in der 1. Zone Nordschleswig und wird von der Fleckenskasse nicht wieder eingelöst.

    This appearance is considered as a reminder to the appearances on February 10, 1920 Vote in the 1. Zone Nordschleswig and is redeemed by the villagers checkout not again.

    >

     

    This is a plebiscite series.  Therefore, the two languages are not a surprise.  Yet these serries are very interesting.  This was a time that where territory tended to change control through wars and higher diplomacy.  This time it was a plebiscite.  The people themselves chose their fate.

    Jack

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    Thanks.  That made more sense.

    Next note shortly.

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    When you are checking through your duplicates, make sure you check carefully for the slight differences that might not be easily spotted.

    Here are 2 variant pieces from Oberndorf. The top (darker) piece is from the original print run of 20000, so the serial number is below ‘20000’. The lighter variant is from a subsequent run or new run (‘Nachdrucke’) so its serial number is greater than 20000:

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    Thanks marcel – I have added this to the ‘VARIANT GEMS’ file – which I will update in 2030!! Not worth updating the publication before that as there are so many examples already listed. :good:

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    Thanks Gustavo! I will put it on the website somewhere….. :bye: :good:

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    Hello, thank you for your reply.

    Yes I also like to see them all in one place. I will keep them all in order as alphabetic and on the spreadsheets, organize them in sections.

    Im really happy that you guys liked my artwork tags. Thank you.

    Here a cover catalog gift I made for you.

    Hope you like it.

    Regards

    Gustavo

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vlhl3i6ip1ays1l03u1yc/Germany.png?rlkey=r00c59h1fvb5qu5cjc1af0x1f&dl=0

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    Hi Gustavo!

    I collected all types of notgeld …….1914, verkehrsausgaben, serienscheine, Grossgeld, Inflation1923 etc…….and unlike John, I kept all my pieces in the albums, alphabetically as far as I could. I had different documents (WORD) for the category listings themselves but as I say, when I received notgeld additions I always placed the notes alphabetically in my notgeld albums. This worked for me but may not have been the best way for some. I liked the fact that, for a good example, the Altrahlstedt notgeld (serienscheine, Inflation 1922 and Inflation 1923) all sat together. Each collector will find the best way for themselves. John’s albums and documentation are superb, I can say that! Like John, I think your labels looking terrific too! :good:

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    Hello John,

    Thank you so much for the reply.

    I really apreciate your point of view and it makes total sense to me.

    Helped me a lot to give order to my collection, and I agree that organizing and reorganizing it, gives a great pleasure.

    Thank you.

     

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    Hi Gustavo,

    I totally admire the quality of the album tags you’ve produced!  They look so very 1920s and so appropriate to the collection.

    My albums are organised according to the periods of Notgeld, so I have albums for First World War issues, Grossgeld, Verkehrsausgaben, Serienscheine, Inflation notes and Fixed-Value issues.  I’ve organised the First World War, Grossgeld, Inflation and Fixed value albums according to date, because I like the narrative that they give.  With the Verkehrsausgaben and Serienscheine I’ve divided the albums by historical region, as I enjoy comparing and tracing motifs locally;  I don’t therefore tend to separate German issues from those of towns and districts which have later become Polish / Russian / Danish as the result of plebiscites, conquests and treaties.  However, I do add the contemporary Polish / Russian / Danish names in brackets in my album frontsheets.

    As for flags,  I must admit that my albums are also identified by the colours of the individual historical states (e.g. blue-and-white for Bavaria, gold-and-white for Hannover, different permutations of green-and-white for the Saxonies etc), mainly out of personal preference.

    As my collection has grown over the last 18 years, I’ve re-organised it several times, which has been a source of great pleasure.  However you organise (and re-organise) your collection, I wish you every joy with it.

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    Hi Jack,

    the Aschaffenburg note’s text is :  Fünf Mark zahlt die Kämmereikasse der Stadt Aschaffenburg dem Inhaber bei Präsentation innerhalb der öffentlich bekannt gegebenen Wiedereinlieferungsfrist, mit deren Umlauf der Gutschein verfällt.

    It translates as : The Finance Department of the town of Aschaffenburg will pay the bearer five marks upon presentation within the redemption period as made public, with the expiration of which the voucher loses its validity.

    Hope this helps.

    Best wishes as always,

    John

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    I did some tags for my collection, like the image bellow, but for example Augustenburg is German/Denmark.
    Should I remake the tags and add small flags into them?

    Any ideas are welcome.

    Thank you

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    Hello there.

    I have a question please.

    How do you catalog your own albuns of Notgelds?
    Only alphabetical? or use the Deutsches Notgeld catalogs and make them alphabetical but separete them by serienscheine, grossgeld and so on?

    Also when theres for example German/Denmark or russian, do you put them in a diferent section of your albuns?

    Thank you.

    Best regards

    Gustavo

     

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    THALE

    Stamp “10.NOVEMB.” for the “Sammeltages” (“collectorsday”) on the serie Oberschlesier-Hilfstag (see item also below)

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    Marcel – you have a very nice selection of Thale notes and thanks for posting all the scans and info here. I have one here I don’t think you show…….look at the over-sized ‘7’.

    (I will add the Witzenhausen notes to the relevent article if they are missing from the list) :bye:

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    THALE

    This article gives a overview of the most issued Serienscheine of the city Thale in the Harz. It is a tourist city for nature lovers and hikers. The Harz is a very rough piece in east of Germany. The region is therefore also impregnated with fairy tales and other mysteries. All those are seen on the notes of Thale. But not only for the beautiful notes you see that Thale has many series who looks alike and has many issued notes with “mistakes, misprints or variations”. (All pictures are of my private collection except “backsite postcard size” is from the internet.)

    The first issue of Thale Stadt in Serienscheine: 10 Pfennig. Notice the greenish notes above are the front and the back. The note below is black and white AND with a stamp “20. Febr.”. There is also a note 10 Pf. also in black and white, but without a stamp.

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    THALE

    The 25 Pfennig note of “Walpurgis” is only with the intake date and in green. I think there was a deficiency in the 25 Pfennig notes (or a printing error).

    The 50 Pfennig note is (reissued design) for a new serie, but notice with a only the intake date, a blueish denomination and like the first issue of the Serienscheine of Thale Stadt

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    THALE

    A nice “misprint”of the 50 Pfennig in the serie of “Walpurgis”: notice the nomination 50 (Pfennig). The note above is the normal printing and the note below, the 50 has shifted to the left (printing plate error?)

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    THALE

    Two series with the same front, but one with one picture and the other with two pictures on the back. The four notes of 50 Pf are with a letter on the front and spell out with the 1 Mark note T h a l e. The 50 Pf note below is a “misprint”, it carries T, the letter for the 1 Mark note

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    THALE

    Three variations of the same note of “Hotel Zehnpfund”: one with a perforation “UNGÜLTIG”, one without “Hotel Zehnpfund” in red print and the “regular” note with the red print

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    THALE

    Two examples of the postcard size series of Thale. You have six series with the same “look”. Five of them with the same pictures (see below). Two series are with a special stamp. They were sold on a special collecting day (“Sammeltag”).

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    THALE

    The backside of the postcard size series of Thale

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    Two wrappings of the postcard size series of Thale

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    Hi Jack! Yes, John is well but extremely busy. You just have to be very patient with your requests. If anyone posts here and doesn’t receive a reply within 2 weeks, please just email me. :good:

    There are a lot of ‘silent’ members here who prefer just to watch and read – every collector is different and lifestyles will be different too. Some of our members are retired but some not so lucky!…….yet!!

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    Has anybody ‘heard’ from John in the last few months.  According to his profile, he has not been on for a while.

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    Put another note

    Ello all,

     

    I put another note up on the identification thread.  Take a look and see if you can help me with a couple of the words in the translation.

    thanks,

    Jack

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    Ello all,

     

    Aschaffenburg.  That is the name of the next town.  This is a five mark note that is not in the books I do have.  the translations I managed have a lot of the phrase, but something not fully right about it.

     

    here it goes:

     

    Zahlt die kammereikasse der Stadt Aschaffenburg dein Inhaber bei Präsentation innerhalb der öffentlich bekannt gegebenen Miedereinlieferungfrist mit deren Areleuf der Gutschein verlullt.

    (translated 28 June 2020)

    If the owner of the city of Aschaffenburg pays the owner at the presentation within the publicly announced corselet delivery period, the voucher will be canceled by Areleuf.

    ‘corselet’ and ‘Areleuf’ are the words confusing me already.

     

    thanks, Jack

     

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    Hi everyone! – hope the collecting is going well – I have just published my latest notgeld article on the rare 3m ‘No-Bi-Ba-Bu’ piece from Detmold. The information was supplied to me by GNCC member, John. It is a very interesting and appealing note. Anyone interested in purchasing this note, please email me.

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    Ello all,

    Finally found time to escape work long enough to finish Allstedt.  I find it interesting that they chose to honor Philip, a King who seemed to accomplish little and was murdered just as he was about to triumph in the one struggle that defined his reign.

    Jack

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    THALE, original design (Verkehrsausgaben)

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    THALE, original design (Verkehrsausgaben)

    Front of the 50 Pfennig, issued in 1917 in the serie of 10, 25 and 50 Pfennig. They look very similar with the later reissued notes. Look carefully: the red sign on the front is the seal of Thale. The later issued notes have a rosette. The 1917’s notes have a serial number on the back. This serie is issued in two runs: The first one has a smal serial number (4,5 mm narrow, Typ II) and the second run a larger number (5,5 mm wide, Typ I) and on the front lower right corner “Neudruck.”.

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    THALE and reused design

    Three series with the same design. 1. Gutschein 10, 25 and 50 Pfennig. 2. Gedenkschein 1 Mark Totenfest. 3. Gedenkschein 1 Mark Totensonntag.

    See also the article by John Adams about Thale notes and “Johanni” and “Walpurgis”.

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    THALE and reused design

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    THALE and reused design

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    THALE and reused design

     

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    THALE and WITZENHAUSEN

    See below; same graphic design as the Ersatznotgeld of Thale

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    THALE

    Thale issued many Serienscheine series and one is a strange kind: “Ersatznotgeld auf Formularen fuer Wegeunterhaltungsbeitraege” (“Substitute emergency allowance on forms for road maintenance contributions”). When you see the forms they are a tourist tax to maintain the footpaths. The Harz is and was a popular and rough region in the east of Germany for hikers and Thale one of the main starting places.

    But the question is: why the 50 Pfennig note (with stamp and talon) is Notgeld and where you can use it?

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    THALE

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    THALE

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    THALE

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    When you are looking through your notgeld, please do check the topic articles as I am still looking for any pieces not mentioned already that have graphics with ‘Saints’, ‘Maps’, ‘Iron Cross’, Pigs’ etc. etc. :good:

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    Does anyone know of any other German serienscheine that have been stamped ‘eingeloest’ please? (redeemed). It doesn’t really make much sense in terms of serienscheine in my mind?? :wacko:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #47429
    notgeldman
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    There are sets of serienscheine pieces that have been issued in different sizes……..Hasloh & Kurzenmoor, for example but I think it is unusual for the 2 verkehrsausgaben you mention. There is always something a bit ‘unusual’!! :good:

    I have been adding artist names to the article and just found the signature & inter-twinned initials ‘GS’ for Georg Schleinitz, on serienscheine from Herne :yahoo:

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