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  • in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34813
    Avatar photoGary Rosenthal
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    I could have used you when I was trying to interpret the sayings on beer steins.  Anyway, your title of Guru is well-deserved.  My own German consists of spending my first 5 years of life in Vienna, supplemented slightly in later life.

    I’ll never forget that I decided I knew enough German to take a 4th semester college course.  Class had 8 people, of which all except me had heavy German accents.  Instead of reading Max und Moritz type stuff, the teacher threw philosophers at us, Schopenhauer, Heine, etc.  Translations were way over my head.  I sent them to my father for help and he had trouble with them.

    The tests were in English and questions were like:  “Compare the philosophy of Kant when he says … to the philosophy of Heine who writes …”  I eecked a “C” out of the course.  Even spent 1/2 year in Frankfurt for my company in a task force that spoke mostly English.  That was 50 years ago.  Anyway, with little chance to practice, I’ve become extremely rusty.

    Austrian and German are almost identical, perhaps 99% alike.  Austrians call potatoes Erdeffeln (earth apples) and Germans call them Kartoffeln.  There are a bunch of other words too.  But all Austrians will tell you they speak German.  I don’t think Austrian is even called a language.

     

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34805
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    …..but you were right also with Braunschweig…..as pointed out to me by Marcel!! :-)

    The bottom left hand side picture shows Raabe!

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34804
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    Ha! Moving it to the E section.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34803
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    John – yes you are right but the note is issued and catalogued under Eschershausen. Well done you! :good:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34802
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    I remembered the name because I had never heard of Wilhelm Raabe before. These are such great touchstones of history and culture.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34801
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    Can you show me the note pls John…..

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    Braunschweig!! I just started collecting, but I have that one!

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34799
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    Can anyone tell me (…..but not Marcel or Charles!!)………what town issued a notgeld which shows this portrait?  B-)

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34792
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    Here is a nice interesting ‘block of 4’ piece of Austrian notgeld with face values in ‘heller’. The total face value is 1Kr & 80h – very unusual. It was issued for the collector market and you can see that this piece is a 3rd issue of 1500 pieces.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34782
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    Thanks John – I’ll add it in….. :good:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34781
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    Hi Tony,  voran is an adverb with several meanings and senses in English.  It could be mean “Oberhof : out in front” or “Oberhof : ahead of all others” as a simple local patriotic statement, or be an encouraging slogan, in the sense of “Oberhof : ever onwards”.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34780
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    Thanks Charles – all info now uploaded to the article.

    Marcel just gave me ‘OBERHOF’ so I have added that into the ‘spelt out town names’ post.

    The notes actually say OBERHOF VORAN. Do you know what that means or refers to ?

    By the way, I changed the order of the posts so the newest is at the top. Just reply to that and you should be ok………..I can change it back if members prefer it…..but lets see how it pans out for a few weeks first. :bye:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34774
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    Read from top to bottom: RA N Z E L  &  ST E CH E R : Backpack and Knivers

    On the other side of the RA / ST-note we  read;

    Gen einen Bären zog man aus. Des Schäfers Ranzen wurde raus

    Drum ward der Güstener bekannt   Als Ranzelstecher rings im Land

    People went to hunt a bear, who got to become the sheperd’s backpack

    That’s why the people from Güsten came to be known as Backpack-Knivers in the vicinity

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34771
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    I have just posted the Guesten article under the ‘serienscheine’ topic main menu item. :good:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34767
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    Do you have a picture Roeland to make things easier?

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34765
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    I have this note. it’s not easy to find one by the way.

    (this is about the Hungary P137)

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34753
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    Not really what I wanted as it nested the reply……but we can see what people think.

    If some members login to read what is going on at least they can just read downwards. :wacko:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34752
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    Reply test – should be the newest post and at the top…..

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34751
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    I have changed the order of the posts so the newest one is at the top rather than the bottom. We can see if this makes things better/easier. To add a new post, the box is still at the bottom of the posts……so use the reply button on the top post……that should do it. I’ll do that now…..

    in reply to: articles you want to see #34748
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    German / Russian notgeld article now posted on website.

    So we now have German / Danish and German / Russian. For German / Polish, town names please refer to the old article that has been on the site for a long time. You can also start by selecting that category in my shop…….as I have created a new category and flagged products with that tag.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34733
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    Hi John – brilliant as always ;-)

    I’ll do an article on them as they are an interesting set and not particularly common. All this wonderful info won’t get lost! It reminds me of the Ditfurt ‘geelbein’ / yellow legs story :bye:

     

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34729
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    Hi Tony,  you have to read the left-hand sides RÄ-N-Z-E-L and the right-hand sides ST-E-CH-E-R to give you the word RÄNZELSTECHER.   Ränzelstecher is a nickname for an inhabitant of Güsten (it can be singular or plural). It means : “Knapsack-Stabber”.  The legend is on back of  the N-E note in the silhouette picture and the poem, about a bear hunt which ended in an unusual and amusing way  : “The men went out to hunt a bear, / They ended up getting the knapsack of the shepherd, / And thus the Güstener has since been known / As the Knapsack-Stabber all around the country.”  You can see the shepherd with his crook, asleep under a tree in the left hand side of the silhouette. The bear hunters mistake the shepherd’s satchel hanging on the tree for a bear and stab it with a spear.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34724
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    Whilst writing my article on town names spelt out on notgeld sets…..along with other names of things, places or people, Marcel has pointed me to Gr/Mehl-494.1 Guesten. On the obverses, those 5 pieces spell out RA ST   N E   Z CH   E E   L R.  (I haven’t got a picture of the fronts but show the backs below) Can someone tell me what that means pls?? :scratch:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34714
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    This note is for Egy milliard -1000 ‘B'(billion) pengos. It was issued by the National bank of Hungary. They sometimes have an ‘official’ bank stamp stuck onto them (a physical stamp that is). Hungary’s inflation was indeed worse than the earlier German hyper-inflation. It’s a national issue so isn’t notgeld. Interesting though – thanks Gary.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34713
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    I came across this article by Googling.  Of course, you have to distinguish between currency issued by a federal government that is legal tender, and the notgeld issued by the various towns.  I don’t know whether the notgeld from one town would be valid in another town.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34711
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    The bottom note of the 3 below, taught ne my first phrase of German, many, many years ago. I haven’t learnt a lot in German since then, unfortunately.

    Badder mit rat‘ – ‘Father take care‘. It is of course referring to a warning the son is giving his Father for his next chess move:

    The town of Stroebeck issued another ‘chess’ set

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34693
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    My Muechen piece is definitely slightly smaller…..by 1mm……….so I would say Guinness Book of Records is incorrect :whistle:

    It would greatly depend on where these pieces were cut though as they are hand-cut and presumably by the issuer. Its all interesting!!

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    Working on about 8 articles at the moment, which I will publish as I complete them…….

    Please keep an eye on the right side of the homepage (‘Latest articles’) 😉

    in reply to: articles you want to see #34680
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    Auctioned :good:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34677
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    I’ve just posted the German-Danish article. Please have a look – it shows up on the homepage on the righthand side as well. (‘Latest articles’ section)

    https://notgeld.com/gncc-notgeld-articles/german-danish-notgeld/

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34638
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    Hi Charles, that’s great to know that you have the experience and expertise in those dialects!  One of my first Notgeld enthusiasms was the 1920 Schleswig plebiscite and its associated issues, from which I then specialised a little bit in Schleswig Holstein Serienscheine and Verkehrsausgaben.  I shall re-visit that part of my collection, and I’m sure I shall be asking you for your kind help.  Westphalian and Mecklenburg and other northern dialects still leave me scratching my head occasionally; the dialect of German I speak most fluently is the southwestern Palatine German, and there are relatively few notes from this area as it was firmly under the thumb of French occuption from 1918 to 1930.  There are war issues and inflation issues, but Grabowski / Mehl has only two listings for Serienscheine of the region of the Pfalz.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34636
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    Ok I seem to get it now:

    4 attemts (call them experiments) landed on Mars, so I out-economized both yhe Amaricans and the Arabs.

    Work of Alfred Hanf, noted expressionist from Erfurt. For more, check Erfurt-Luther, Gebesee, Genthin, Genthin-Bismarck, Sömmerda, Weissensee.

    Uploaded as favourite series and for Luther-afficionados; L studied law in Erfurt.

    The reverse-sides of these are also a sight to behold, but that’s where the uploads went wrong…..

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34633
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    3rd Attempt,

    apparently 2 DID land on Mars. Iout-economize the Americans and Arabs!!

    For Luther-afficionados and re my favourite series:

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    in reply to: articles you want to see #34611
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    Charles – email sent. Articles with notgeld depicting maps on them, sounds like it could be a good one, so noted! ….when I get a chance!! :wacko:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34604
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    I just copied this rom the Guinness book of world-records:

    So who wins now?

    in reply to: articles you want to see #34603
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    Very interesting, as momentarily i’m also working on my Schleswig-Holstein collection, also collecting maps and such. If I can be of any help, just let me know.

    Re the spelled-out sets: could you please show the “secrets”?

    I cannot see rom the pics what’s special about Gräfenhainichen & Quedlinburg Land, and I don’t own those series!

     

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34600
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    Possible dupe! I sent this already but it didn’t show-up.

    This one’s also double-sided!

    There’s another one fm Bunzlau, about as big as the printed surface of the above.

     

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34595
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    Hi Roeland!- I haven’t heard about the Dinslaken note but someone might know ? The 200 Billionen note from Crefeld is the highest issued notgeld that I am aware of…..but I only ever saw a facsimile of it, which I posted on the website. I know someone who had one though. :wacko:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34594
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    Hi all! What’s the highest value Notgeld note ever printed? I’m pretty sure I once read about a Eine Billiarde Mark note from Dinslaken (That’s 1.000.000.000.000.000 Marks, 15 zeroes) that was never issued, but still printed. However, I can’t find anything about it anymore. Did I dream that up? I know of several 20 Billionen and 50 Billionen notes and I think a 200 Billionen from Crefeld?

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34593
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    I have just posted the article for notes that spell out town names and a few extras………

    https://notgeld.com/gncc-notgeld-articles/town-names-spelt-out/

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34588
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    Currently, Marcel is winning on the double-sided smallest note and I am still winning for the uniface piece. Any other challengers!!?? :yahoo:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34582
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    Thanks Marcel – I will add those place names to the article I am writing :good:

    Salzwedel ‘W. Tell’ good shout. I think you might be winning!! ;-)

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    My smallest notes are from Salzwedel: Marken-Versand W.Tell

    Other places spelled-out: Quedlinburg: Kreis and Gräfenhainichen: Stadt

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34579
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    Hi Dan Gerken,

    I do hope you speak German, if so, I hope the following link may be of value to you:

    Förderkreis Alte Kirchen Berlin-Brandenburg;

    altekirchen.de     broschure-2017-gesamt.pdf

    On first scan interesting articles including materiala on Luther.

    Or maybe there’s a Google-translator-programme!

    Happiness, keep nose pointed to sky.

    Ch.

    PS: I lived in Germany, so I might be able to help you with translations too.

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    Noted :good:

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34575
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    Yep – very small double-sided piece :good:

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    Hi folks!

    this surely isn’t the smallest piece of Notgeld around, but I guess it’s the smallest item to figure as “banknote”, and not as a one-side-printed piece of carton.

    Height: approx a 10 Euro-cent coin.

     

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34570
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    For the newer collectors – This is the 25goldpfennig piece which is the lady’s heel. The 50gpf slightly bigger in size piece is the man’s heel.

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34569
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    Vicken

    I just found a clear picture of this piece:

    Vorsteher = director o the board,

    Gemeinderat = city-council

    Ch

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34568
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    Hi Vicken

    I think it says TAUSCH Wertschein; Tauschen meaning: to exchange

    Dorfreher should be VORSTEHER, Vorstand being the board or town-council,

    It is a nice piece of non-inflatory money, with guaranteed value in gold and/or US-Dollars.

    Ch.

     

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34567
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    Hi John,

    I would like (but Very humbly indeed!) to add the following: I spent one year with the Dutch Nato-Forces in Schleswig-Holstein, far too short to pick up the local Dithmarscher Platt decently, and I worked in Hamburg for 8 years (minus 1 week).  The Dutch and German languages AS SPOKEN are more closely related  to each other than any of the both of them is to English, although all 3 of them belong to the same greater language-group. The little poems and Floskel in Dialekt on the Notgeld-Scheine is what makes me collect Northern-German banknotes.

    There is a small chance that I might recognize some words in dialect relatively easy concerning form or sound, so if I can be of any help there, just let me know. Just trying is already fun !

    Respectully,

    Charles

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    Great idea, Tony. Here’s one more !

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    Thanks so much! This helps me get a good idea of how to get organized!

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    Roger, Wilco, Chief !!! Just mail me !

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    Vicken – I just edited your post with the great link – just so that it opened up in a new window.

    I can’t seem to find it though so I will add the link here – thanks again!!

    https://www.das-deutsche-notgeld.de/pm3/pmvisi.htm

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34558
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    I don’t speak German and have a hard time making out what’s on the shoe leather notgeld because of how dark they are. Would anybody mind checking if I spelled things correctly here?

    PÖßNECKER / FAUSCK- / WERT-GCHEIN / 25 / GOLD- / PF. / DER / GEMEINDE- / DORFREHER: / (signature) / 27 / 9 / DER / GEMEINDE- / RAT: / (signature) / 1923

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    I’m going to add this here in case I forget it:

    https://www.das-deutsche-notgeld.de/pm3/pmvisi.htm

    site that lists various unusual notgeld. My favorites there are on that page…

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    What is your best or rarest piece of notgeld?

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34552
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    Thanks Graham for the heads-up :good:

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    I might add an extra section in the article for other spelt out names eg) L U TH E R on the Erfurt notes. :wacko:

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    R U D O L S T A D T

    I have started an article with the places mentioned so far. I will post on the website in a few days when we have hopefully had a few more suggested……. B-)

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    Oh no Charles…..another article we need to do together 😃 :good:

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    Hi Charles,  the Stonehenge-like construction on the obverse of the Artern Bergwart note is the logo of Ewald Ludwig Eberhardt’s publishing company, Bergwart in Artern (issuer of the notes).  You can see it on the firm’s books published throughout the 1920s (see attached picture), all of them (as far as I can make out) actually written by Engelhardt himself.  As a local history enthusiast and esoteric thinker, he seems to be referencing the theory that there was once a prehistoric temple to Woden (Odin) on the local mountain, on or near the site of the later castle of Kyffhausen.  This is on account of the mountain upon which the castle is sited being referred to in a document of the nearby monastery of  Walkenried, dated 1277, as the Wotansberg : Woden’s Mountain.  Engelhardt imagines it as a kind of sun temple using a circle of henge megaliths, centred on a cultic statue or totem, similar to the legendary Irminsul.

    Verlag Bergwart in Artern

     

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    Hi Gary,  danke für das Kompliment, as they say. I’m fortunate that in my younger days I had the pleasure of working in Germany and studying Germanistik in London and Mainz, and have kept up a lifelong habit of studying German.  As far as dialects go, I find some more accessible than others, and if it’s one I’m unfaniliar with, a rule of thumb is that the vowel sounds vary more than consonant sounds, and where consonants vary there’s often a perceptible pattern.  Sometimes actual dialect words and expressions are simply unguessable and need a lot of dictionary work!  Having spent little time in the north of Germany, I find the notes in various forms of Low German a real challenge …

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    Applause !

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    Thanks! I have added it to the ‘Intro’ tab on the main website. (I can’t seem to turn off the automatic ‘watermark’ for that image).

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    Thanks Tony for the interesting information about the smallest notgeld notes :good: ;-)

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    I read a post about Oldisleben just a few days ago, which I cannot fid it anymore. It was about the town-name being spelled-out on the notes.

    I just ordered this one:

    Here is a (surely incomplete) list of other examples:

    Aschersleben, Oldisleben, Preetz, Rees, Zerbst, Nörenberg.

    Anybody who knows more examples, please add to the list!

    thx, Ch

     

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    Hi Gary

    the way of the heart is always preferable, isn’t it? My collection will go to my daughters when the time’s there.

    Ch

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    Charles!

    I have that exact chart somewhere  – photocopied and stuck in some calligraphy or typography book! I have some examples of ligatures I’ll have to see if I can find, but that may take me a few weeks due to work.

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    with compliments!

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    Please allow me to add to this the following:

    I you’re interested in the money of former-Silesia, focussing on the products of Flemming-Wiskott, Glogau and J. Himmer – Augsburg will survey at least 80% of all notgeld issued there! The Koch-note is a rare exception! The Himmer-notes are rather boring, all looking the same, and more pten than not expensie!

    Ch.

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    Hi Gary

    this note is filled to the brim with, I guess, dialect from either Lower-Saxony or Westphalia,

    Referring to the upper-left-corner,  and on the vague pics this is kind of hard to read, it says: Bärchword & Odärn, meaning Barchwort and Artern.

    The coat-of-arms on the other side in the centre is the blason of the Kyffhäuser Region (just south of the Harz-Mountains, ask TGM if I know!), and the Counts of Mansfeld.  The smaller shields probably refer to the 4 depicted (young?) ladies, but I couldn’t find any sensible info so far. Also no info on the abbreviation A G Z M on the shield in the lower-middle.

    I think also the Stonehenge-like structure is worthy of investigation.

    If you find any info yourself, please let us know!

    rgds, Ch.

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    Hi John,

    thanks in return for your enlightening post: Mr. Hablik reminds me of our  Gerrit Rietveld,  famous as carpenter, designer and architect.

    Almost automatically Herbert Bayer of Bauhaus -fame comes to mind.  Here’s a sample.

    I also thank Tony for his Steinburg upload!

    Rgds, Charles

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34507
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    I just noticed that under ‘Odaern‘ in Gr/Mehl, they have a note about Artern. That’s pretty helpful for collectors knowing which notes they refer to……that that we definitely know!

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    I’m overwhelmed.  You certainly are a Guru.  I had a hard time translating that stuff with my childhood German.  And a dialect, no less.  Fantastic.

    Thank you for both the clue to the town and the translations.  How did you manage to read the dialect?  I can manage some of it, but nowhere as well as you.

     

    in reply to: general notgeld chit-chat #34503
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    Hi Graham – you are right.

    These are private verkehrsausgaben notgeld issues, generally grouped under the heading ‘baekerpfennige’. The catalogue that lists these types is Tieste’s Verk. Band 2 (M – Z). It doesn’t state what kind of shop (usually baker shops), ‘S. Jahn’ had, so we just don’t know. Some were colonial wares shops, some book shops, some guest houses……but the majority were bakeries of some description…..we have bakers, master bakers etc. All can be seen as small retail outlets or shops. These types catalogue on average around 7 euros each…….with these 3 being 6 euros each. You do get scarcer pieces though, so the prices for those types go much higher. I really do see these types as ‘proper’ notgeld issues, made so that the customers got some small change back………and that the shop-keeper knew could only then be subsequently spent in his shop! ;-)

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    About the smallest notgeld notes – that notes is from Muenchen (Munich) and on the Notgeld Category is Verkehrsausgaben, but I think the issues of date in 1920? ;-)

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    John – that would be brilliant. I could make an article or menu item for it, so everyone can use it.

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    I was thinking of Gary’s comment about how hard the typefaces are to read. Some of this is due to the print quality, but also these Fraktur typefaces are ornamented to the point of abstraction. If people are interested I could compile a quick key to the characters and maybe some pointers to identify easily similar letters. I’ve had to deal with Fraktur in type design and doing research from German sources so it’s something I’m familiar with. – Hope everyone is well!

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    Forum rankings, including mine, are allocated on number of postings/replies…… except for rank of ‘Forum Guru‘ which I will personally assign.

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    Hi Charles, I love the Itzehoe notes! They are, as you say, so very modern, and I was inspired to see if Hablik had designed any others.  I actually found a couple in my collection!  He designed the 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 and 50 Mark notes (Geiger, 508.01-06) for the district of Steinburg (in which his expatriate home town of Itzehoe was located) and they also show his flair – he in fact trained as a cabinetmaker and practised all kinds of architectural and interior design, but is best known for his work as an artist and graphic designer.  I think the playfulness and verve of his Itzehoe and Steinburg Notgeld designs, even down to the lettering, reflect his maxim : “Your ideas should be as irresponsibly free as a bird”. Thanks for making me look at these with a new eye!

    Steinburg 2 Mark

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    Hi John, the organisation of my collection has grown organically with its size until it reached it current state.  My albums run chronologically from c. 1900-2002, with sections given over to Verkehrsausgaben, Serienscheine, Hyperinflation etc.  The largest section, the Serienscheine, is subdivided by German states, with Prussia further subdivided into provinces and Thuringia into its constituent predecessors.  I use both Grabowski / Mehl and Lindmann and otherwise note the place of issue and issuer;  further research, notes and appropriate related ephemera accompany the pieces themselves in the albums. Here’s an example :Serienscheine list example Oldenburg

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    What is your smallest piece of notgeld? Here are mine – anyone hazard a guess as to where they are from, date of issue and what notgeld category they are from? :whistle:

     

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    FYI – I am currently working on an article depicting the ‘German-Danish‘ serienscheine………… :wacko:

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    I have just published the ‘Artern’ info as an article: https://notgeld.com/gncc-notgeld-articles/artern/

    :bye:

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    Thanks for your kind words Chuck. Please do keep making posts and reading all the notgeld info.

    A collection of 1500 different is pretty good going, so keep adding notes and your collection will get better and better. 😉

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    Wow! Yes indeed it does John. I think I will create an article on the website so all this wonderful info is not lost. I think I need a new forum title for you ‘ forum guru’

    Info like this will keep the forum alive :good:

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    Hi Tony,

    the verses, composed by the publisher Ewald Ludwig Engelhardt whose company Berghart in Artern isssued the notes, translates as :

    Although as a human all alone you remain a link in a long chain, / Oh, a leaf blown in the wind and the wind but a mere breath, a mere single note of a song, / But a grain of sand in the desert, but a cell of a feather already light, / In the sea of the all-encompassing God but a drop on a dancing wave,

    Yet curse yourself not, for you are no fleeting meaningless moment. / Nor a plaything left forgotten in a rotted wooden chest, / O, ‘tis a whole world you experience in the turning of the spheres, / A melody plucked on a string whether loud or mute. / The Preserver of All weeps within you and laughs, / Do great and manifold things, you creative power!

    Herr Engelhardt’s thing was local history and sagas, and he published a few books on these topics, but he was also a bit of a poet and writer and philosopher on the side, though a fairly esoteric one.

    The A. G. Z. M is, I think, carved on a capstone dated 1542 (0r 1547 or 1549) and probably stands for Albrecht Graf zu Mansfeld, or : Albrecht, Count of Mansfeld. The coat of arms is the same as that in the old thaler coin in the centre of the note, namely that of the counts of Mansfeld, and Albrecht VII was count of Mansfeld until his death in 1560.

    The whole note is a smorgasbord of local history, but I still haven’t worked out who the children depicted in the silhouettes are (working on it).  Hope this helps!

     

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    Hi Gary, it’s not easy to find but the town of issue, and indeed the issuer, is on the note, albeit in Saxon dialect.  The issuer is Ewald Ludwig Engelhardt’s publishing company “Bergwart in Artern”, or as it says on the obverse (in the boxes top left and right) : “Bärchword en Odärn”.  Being completely honest, I used the catalogue to identify the note and then worked backwards from there!

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    Hello everyone.  This is my first post. I love this website. The information contained in it is invaluable.  There are very few places you can get information about Notgeld.  I have well over 1000 Serienscheine notes and over 500 Verkehrsausgaben notes in my modest collection.  I am fascinated by German history during that time period. I use the Grabowski/Mehl books to identify and catalog my notes

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    No postal addresses to be uploaded in the forum please. Only email addresses are allowed and only between seller and buyer in the ‘buy and sell’ topic. Thanks for adhering to this rule.

    in reply to: GNCC members’ buy and sell area……. #34455
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    I’ll kick it off with these 2 notes I will sell to the first one who agrees the trade with me. (All notes I post here are not in my shop of course) I want 5 pounds or 6 euros for the 2 notes. Postage needs to be added. The notes are from Giessen, date from 1922 and are in ‘used but good’ condition but they do have brown staining spots on their reverses.

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    You can list a few of your pieces you are selling here with the prices you want and maybe the catalogue number. It would be good to have a picture too. I suggest no more than 5 notes (or 5 groupings / sets) in a single post. By posting here under this ‘buy and sell’ topic, you are agreeing to share your email address (seller and buyer), once a trade has been agreed in principle. Its a secure forum so only GNCC members have access to this area.

    If you are interested in the notes please reply to the post and sort it out here with the seller. I don’t want to have many rules so please keep it sensible and fun. By posting in this topic you are agreeing that I, personally, do not have any responsibility with the trades struck or postage or things like that. That is the concern of the seller and buyer. When a trade is struck and agreed, please then (the 2 people involved) just exchange each others email addresses and sort from there…….so postal addresses are NOT displayed here.

    We can see how this goes and tweak where necessary………….

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    I had to use the catalogue for this one. There are a couple of pieces that I don’t think you would ever guess without it being pictured. The printer of this note doesn’t even help as its ‘Leipzig’! Does anyone know who the ‘children are?

    Gary – what does the rhyme say please, as your German is a whole lot better than mine at ‘0’!!……roughly will do of course if it is a bad script or local dialect.

    I never even noticed the square shield in the bottom of the obverse with almost my initials ‘A G 2 M’ or ‘A G Z M’…….anyone know??

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    A big part of the labor involved in collecting is sorting the Notgeld. Some of those German Kurrent scripts are horrendously difficult to make out. To make matters worse, some of the towns and cities were quite cryptic in how they design they money. A number of times I had to go page by page through the Mehl catalog to find the applicable town.

    A good example is this Notgeld from Artern which doesn’t mention Artern on it. On the top, on the reverse side, it seems to indicate that it’s from a town on the Oder River. Artern is nowhere near there.

    So…other than asking our excellent webmaster, how do you collectors do it? How did you identify this or similar pieces?

     

    Artern Notgeld

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    Thank you for your answers, TGM and Charlie.  I have a major problem with selling.  I just don’t like doing it.  Right now, I’m leaving my collection to a 2nd cousin.  I have some step children but they are not interested.

    I just checked out the Tieste site.  Far superior to the Mehl/Grabowski catalog.

     

     

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    This is the very rare 50m note from Rothenburg, depicting Luther. The note is from a set of 4, so we are trying to get the picture of the other 3 if anyone can help………

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