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Thanks for your kind words Chuck. Please do keep making posts and reading all the notgeld info.
A collection of 1500 different is pretty good going, so keep adding notes and your collection will get better and better. 😉
Wow! Yes indeed it does John. I think I will create an article on the website so all this wonderful info is not lost. I think I need a new forum title for you ‘ forum guru’
Info like this will keep the forum alive
Hi Tony,
the verses, composed by the publisher Ewald Ludwig Engelhardt whose company Berghart in Artern isssued the notes, translates as :
Although as a human all alone you remain a link in a long chain, /Â Oh, a leaf blown in the wind and the wind but a mere breath, a mere single note of a song, / But a grain of sand in the desert, but a cell of a feather already light, /Â In the sea of the all-encompassing God but a drop on a dancing wave,
Yet curse yourself not, for you are no fleeting meaningless moment. / Nor a plaything left forgotten in a rotted wooden chest, / O, ‘tis a whole world you experience in the turning of the spheres, / A melody plucked on a string whether loud or mute. / The Preserver of All weeps within you and laughs, / Do great and manifold things, you creative power!
Herr Engelhardt’s thing was local history and sagas, and he published a few books on these topics, but he was also a bit of a poet and writer and philosopher on the side, though a fairly esoteric one.
The A. G. Z. M is, I think, carved on a capstone dated 1542 (0r 1547 or 1549) and probably stands for Albrecht Graf zu Mansfeld, or : Albrecht, Count of Mansfeld. The coat of arms is the same as that in the old thaler coin in the centre of the note, namely that of the counts of Mansfeld, and Albrecht VII was count of Mansfeld until his death in 1560.
The whole note is a smorgasbord of local history, but I still haven’t worked out who the children depicted in the silhouettes are (working on it). Hope this helps!
Hi Gary, it’s not easy to find but the town of issue, and indeed the issuer, is on the note, albeit in Saxon dialect. The issuer is Ewald Ludwig Engelhardt’s publishing company “Bergwart in Artern”, or as it says on the obverse (in the boxes top left and right) : “Bärchword en Odärn”. Being completely honest, I used the catalogue to identify the note and then worked backwards from there!
Hello everyone. This is my first post. I love this website. The information contained in it is invaluable. There are very few places you can get information about Notgeld. I have well over 1000 Serienscheine notes and over 500 Verkehrsausgaben notes in my modest collection. I am fascinated by German history during that time period. I use the Grabowski/Mehl books to identify and catalog my notes
No postal addresses to be uploaded in the forum please. Only email addresses are allowed and only between seller and buyer in the ‘buy and sell’ topic. Thanks for adhering to this rule.
I’ll kick it off with these 2 notes I will sell to the first one who agrees the trade with me. (All notes I post here are not in my shop of course) I want 5 pounds or 6 euros for the 2 notes. Postage needs to be added. The notes are from Giessen, date from 1922 and are in ‘used but good’ condition but they do have brown staining spots on their reverses.
You can list a few of your pieces you are selling here with the prices you want and maybe the catalogue number. It would be good to have a picture too. I suggest no more than 5 notes (or 5 groupings / sets) in a single post. By posting here under this ‘buy and sell’ topic, you are agreeing to share your email address (seller and buyer), once a trade has been agreed in principle. Its a secure forum so only GNCC members have access to this area.
If you are interested in the notes please reply to the post and sort it out here with the seller. I don’t want to have many rules so please keep it sensible and fun. By posting in this topic you are agreeing that I, personally, do not have any responsibility with the trades struck or postage or things like that. That is the concern of the seller and buyer. When a trade is struck and agreed, please then (the 2 people involved) just exchange each others email addresses and sort from there…….so postal addresses are NOT displayed here.
We can see how this goes and tweak where necessary………….
I had to use the catalogue for this one. There are a couple of pieces that I don’t think you would ever guess without it being pictured. The printer of this note doesn’t even help as its ‘Leipzig’! Does anyone know who the ‘children are?
Gary – what does the rhyme say please, as your German is a whole lot better than mine at ‘0’!!……roughly will do of course if it is a bad script or local dialect.
I never even noticed the square shield in the bottom of the obverse with almost my initials ‘A G 2 M’ or ‘A G Z M’…….anyone know??
A big part of the labor involved in collecting is sorting the Notgeld. Some of those German Kurrent scripts are horrendously difficult to make out. To make matters worse, some of the towns and cities were quite cryptic in how they design they money. A number of times I had to go page by page through the Mehl catalog to find the applicable town.
A good example is this Notgeld from Artern which doesn’t mention Artern on it. On the top, on the reverse side, it seems to indicate that it’s from a town on the Oder River. Artern is nowhere near there.
So…other than asking our excellent webmaster, how do you collectors do it? How did you identify this or similar pieces?
Thank you for your answers, TGM and Charlie. I have a major problem with selling. I just don’t like doing it. Right now, I’m leaving my collection to a 2nd cousin. I have some step children but they are not interested.
I just checked out the Tieste site. Far superior to the Mehl/Grabowski catalog.
This is the very rare 50m note from Rothenburg, depicting Luther. The note is from a set of 4, so we are trying to get the picture of the other 3 if anyone can help………
All GNCC members : That goes for any of my articles with lists please. Always let me know of any additions you have and I will add them in.
stoff is ‘material’ so stoffgeld are pieces made of linen, silk, velvet, jute, aluminium foil etc. As soon as you have a few of these types in your collection, you realise how beautiful they are and start wanting more. I did it with the 100m pieces (silk and linen)….which were …and still are….my real passion and expertise.
Here is a nice example:
Dark pink silk with dark purple border – piece catalogues as ‘NGM04-2c-ns‘
Vicken – I will look into this when things are a bit quieter at this end. If you find a good source, you might not want to share that with everyone + and I have to say this, I want people to buy their notgeld from my shop!! If we did it amongst ourselves – that would be a good thing I think. What does anyone think?
Tieste’s site (http://www.tieste.de) is a good indication of a price you can expect to pay for a note…..if he is selling it and it is listed in his different categories. I have known Reinhard for nearly 30 years and visited him at his home once. MA-Shops is another very good source……..but like anything, can seem expensive if you are buying just 1 note and the postage is the same amount as the note you are buying! You will get to know sellers over time and little things like the way they package notes up………..might amaze you……..in a bad way! eBay – just be careful.
I too would be interested in other sites for notgeld. One I know is tieste.de, he’s pretty good.
Tony… this may not be immediately feasible, but can we have a buy/sell/trade area on this forum please?
Hi Charles – On my homepage right at the bottom, you can see the ‘Luther’ article with all the pieces we are currently aware of. Any further notes any member becomes aware of, please please please inform us
Hi John Adams!
For starters: this is the very 1st time in my whole life that I participate in a forum, so I hope I’ll get everything right, so not having the uploads landing on Mars and such,,,,
Like you, I have lots of “favourites”, but one of them really got me enthusiastic, and that is Wenzel Hablik’s Itzehoe-series. It still gives me the feeling this guy was 100 years ahead of his time! This thing might have been published just 20 years ago! Although it’s different of course from an art-historical point of view!
I will now try to upload an image, and as I said: I hope it won’t end up on Mars !
Regards, Charles
Thanks for posting in the forum Dan. In the Luther article, I will try and find more info for you on the latest note I added that you questioned me about. I’ll try and add a picture here later to…
Hi Daniel Gerken,
Do you know the nice Luther-notes from Erfurt, by the noted artist Alfred Hanf? And the series from Eisenach and Halle / Saale? There are lots of series about Luther, as well as stamps and postcards, to enhance your collection!
I wish you much success with building-up your collection,
Charles
Hi Gary,
I’ve been on the collecting-front for about 2 1/2 years now , and a GNCC member for, give or take some months, 1 1/2 yrs.
Having lived in structural poverty for years, I built up a small-time stamp-collection with the middle-ages as central theme. Stamps being rather small, I started complementing them with postcards and some notgeld, and yes, I got hooked ! Especially when I found the products of Louis Koch, Halberstadt. What made them attractive to me was the nice artwork, done by a comprehensive number of artists, so very recognizable most of the time. You’ll find a complete illustrated listing of Koch-notes elsewhere on this site.
An anorexic wallet and curiosity caused me to search the web for Koch-notes fairly singlemindedly, and then comparing the offers until I was sure to have the cheapest of (momentary) all.
Although 98% of all trades went perfectly straight, I also met some less agreable denizens of the web…
My suggestions to you are: 1. You could become a source yourself, selling the doubles for a soft price might help a lot of beginners lay a foundation for a nice collection. 2. Choose one theme at a time and search and compare, by doing so you’ll learn to compare and memorize. I also make intense use of Google Maps, Wikipedia and a lot of atlasses. 3. Keep file of, and watch the sites you find, like auctioneers, there are many more than Catawili alone.
I won’t show you “the rear of my tongue” (as the Dutch say), discoverinf and finding out (for) yourself seems much more fun to me, but if you’re left with any questions or remarks. I’d be happy to share what I know !!
And, last but not least: Tony created one hell of a nice collectors-club !!
Cordially, Charles
As a retired Lutheran minister, I collect notgeld that features Martin Luther, or the places he is associated with. Before I found Tony’s website, it was rather hit or miss in finding information and items for my collection. Tony has helped a lot in my search, as well as providing translations for many of the notes. Since being a member of GNCC, I have enjoyed the articles on the wide variety of notgeld available, as well as their history.
Marcel – it’s a lovely looking lace border
It might be a very good note you have there!
Hi Tony, this 10.000 Mark piece is one of the creative Bielefeld-Stoffgeld-borders I have in my collection. I have several “Spitzen”and a few with borders. The variations are almost endless.Â
When I used to log my collection I had a spreadsheet with different tabs for the different notgeld categories……..so a tab for serienscheine and another for verkehrsausgaben and another for prisoner-of-war etc etc.
I had columns for Catalogue number: Place of issue: Date of notes: Face values: Number of pieces in set/complete: cat.value. Similar to image below. I would always now, add in a couple of extra columns for ‘comments’ & points of interest or things to be aware of…….
When I started mine, Lindman (Lm.) was the only catalogue available…..but nowadays you have Gr/Mehl (Grabowski/Mehl). For serienscheine you have to decide which catalogue you are going to use I guess. It also depends on how exact the record you are making needs to be. It is just a basic reference or is it ‘everything about a note/set?’. Variants aren’t listed at all well in Gr/Mehl.
I just started collecting Notgeld (I’m a stamp collector) and was wondering how people preferred to organize their collections. I use a lot of the books and sleeves by Leuchtturm/Lighthouse so I have a good sense of how to store the notes. However, I started to make a spreadsheet to catalog the notes I have and was trying to think of the different fields. Anyone have advice or thoughts to share? Thanks!
I have added a new category to the shop for ‘German / Polish’ notgeld. Whilst updating some products, I noticed this interesting piece from Koenigshuette:
The obverse is in German, whilst the reverse is in Polish. German = Koenigshuette : Polish = Krolewska Huta. The date of the German/Polish plebiscite (People’s vote or referendum / volksabstimmung) can be seen on the note – ‘20.3.1921’.
They are private verkehrsausgaben notgeld, issued by the Duren ‘Konsum- und Sparverein’ (Co-op and savings association). There are 7 different face values and they all catalogue at 15 euros each. Several variants exist where the font of the face value (WZ) is slightly different.
I attach a scan of the 3 pieces in my shop for other collectors to see.
I have all but the Konsum und Sparverein coupons. I’ve seen them offered from time to time, but for whatever reason, they’ve just never appealed to me…probably because I know so little about them.
Graham – I hope my notgeld website and GNCC are good resources for you…… and anyone who is really passionate about the subject. I think that because notgeld are such a specific area of the more general ‘banknote collecting’ sphere, there just had to be a very specialised website for it all!!
Hi Mike! – Dueren issued notgeld from these 5 different categories, according to Monika Pick’s ‘notgeld-mufti’:
Kleingeld (1916-1921), Serienscheine, Grossgeld, Inflationsgeld 1922 & Inflationsgeld 1923.
So you won’t find any 1914 notgeld issues from Dueren or any wertbestaendige issues either. Hope that helps?
Thanks for giving me the Green note
Interesting on your first notgeld note, on my first notgeld notes is a pack of 20 different from my father’s friend about 25 years ago for £5 but I put in the tin and forgotten all about it till last year on the first lockdown, I was sorting things out and found it, buy a few more from ebay and to put on one side for a while till I found this GNCC
I just wanted to drop in quickly and say “HI!” My notgeld collecting has unfortunately taken a back seat to a full time job AND starting a new business, so I likely won’t be a frequent visitor for a while.
When I am active, my collecting is limited to notes (and coins) from Stadt Duren. Once I complete that collection (I’m getting close) I’ll start expanding. I think I will move on to another town, or possibly region. Or maybe just go after it all!
If anyone has any Duren gems they’d like to part with, I’d be glad to take a look!
This was the first ever German notgeld I collected. I thought it looked like some kind of matchbox label because of its size. Whenever I come across it at flea markets or sales, it always takes me back to a time when I was a young boy, just 10 years old!!
Jack – super. No rush whatsoever. Hopefully as we get more people joining in, the more notgeld info will flow. Hope you liked the avatar I chose for you – a Weimar banknote designed by Herbert Bayer from the famous Bauhaus.
Initial greeting post. I hope to contribute more once i have finished setting my attempt to sell Roman coins. I hope to have that operational later this month and return to studying notgeld for fun.
Jack
Graham – I have a green note sitting here for you (free) of course! Here are the set of 4 from a picture in my folders:
On the fronts, 3 notes are dated 1919, with only the red one having a date of 1917.
Hi Gary!
Thanks for your first post.may there be many more in the future.
Best source is my shop, but I would say that wouldn’t I!! They do tend to be slightly better or scarcer pieces, but there are ‘common’ pieces for sale too.
EBay can be good sometimes but I have definitely been burnt a few times now, so you do have to be careful. Poor descriptions, ‘too good to be true’ prices…..and then with a big problem when the pieces arrive…… etc etc. You tend to find the sellers you can trust. You don’t have to be too concerned about fakes with notgeld…….except maybe the scarcer types very, very occasionally something just looks wrong to me. Any questions with anything like that, I’m sure someone on this specialised forum can help
These are very interesting notes Graham. There is a green one and a yellow one that go with these 2 – do you have those? otherwise, I will see if I have any spare ones here for you….
There is an article about these notes somewhere on the notgeld.com website, with translations, as they have interesting info on them, especially the names on the fronts. ‘Hanke‘ (bottom right) is probably the most important one as he was the Director of the Bielefeld Stadtsparkasse (Town Savings Bank)…..that issued all the silk, linen and velvet notgeld!!
Hello all: I’m basically a new collector. I started collecting a bit less than a year ago. Somehow, browsing Ebay, I came across a photo of a Notgeld, looked interesting, so I ordered it. Then, looking further on Ebay I saw a lot of other Notgeld, also interesting looking, so I bought some of it.
That started my collection. Since then, I learned that it’s far more cost efficient to buy Notgeld in groupings, lots, or albums. So, I check Ebay occasionally to see if any Notgeld albums are available, and if so, I either order or bid on them. One problem with this is that I purchased several groupings of Notgeld from someone in … Korea, I think. There were about a thousand Notgeld in all, but many of them were in terrible condition, folded, marks from rusted paper clips, and worst of all, worm eaten edges.
I’ve also bid for and won a number of collections, mostly in albums, from a Dutch auction site called Catawiki. The result is that I must have 10 to 20 thousand pieces now, many doubles, and mostly cheapies. Also, some Austrian Notgeld and some Verkehrausgaben, most of which are not too interesting for me. I’m also sitting with about 12 albums that I haven’t gone through yet.
From about last April on, Notgeld collecting was my primary activity. My two other activities, collecting Silver Strikes and playing computer games took a back seat. The Notgeld finally started coming out of my ears, so I’m taking a several week hiatus before getting back to it.
When I’ve gone through the remaining albums I’ll finally be in a position to collect more selectively. Then I’ll go through my collections, see what’s missing, and act accordingly.
The only collecting help I’ve had is from this website. Being new to the hobby, I’ve made lots of mistakes, but then it’s a learning process, I suppose.
So, my question to you all is: What are your sources for obtaining Notgeld? Which are good ones, which bad ones? Have you been burned sometimes?
And this one is different, the date show 1.4.1919 but at the back still show 1.7.(1917)
Wow, thanks for showing the notgeld notes of Pakosch and I would have miss to spot the difference and the missing serial numbers too, thanks for the tip 😃😃
Hi John, wow 206 albums in your collection and now I’m getting on my 2nd albums soon 😃😃
Oh wow. So much is different. Looks like the paper type has the changed, the kerning of “Gutschein.” is tighter on the lower note, the 25 on the right side is a different font, the borders are even slightly different.
Please do not try and make a private and direct contact with another member by requesting email addresses etc. Please just chat here on and within the forum so that everyone can see all the notgeld info being discussed. If you do feel the need to contact someone, personally, send me an email and I might be able to sort it out, if really necessary.
All notgeld collectors should be aware to check what you think are ‘duplicates’ – they might not be! There are very small differences is several notes that a collector will love. Here is a good example. What differences can you spot?
Hi Graham, welcome to a fascinating hobby! Not sure how many notes I have exactly, but I’ve currently got 206 albums holding about 60 notes each at a guesstimated average (most albums have 15 pages or so of between 3 and 6 notes each, so say on average 4 per page), which makes it probably just over 12,000 notes. The more and more I’ve accumulated, the more I’ve had to reorganise the collection so that I can actually locate notes and sets; it’s this organising and the research enabling it that has been such a large part of the pleasure of collecting! My wife says it keeps me indoors and keeps me out of trouble. She not (ever) wrong – whoever heard of a Notgeld-collecting hooligan?
Hopefully we can all help you with your notgeld interests and collection and also suggest pieces or sets that you might like.
Just started collecting and found a pack of 100 from a coin shop on eBay. It was a nice way to survey the field and figure out where I want to go in collecting. Since I teach a physics class I’ve been surprised to find notgeld illustrating optics – especially in towns like Jena and Wetzlar which are the homes of Zeiss and Leitz. I also enjoy a lot of German poetry and literature. I’m pretty amazed how these are such a great historical record! – Gordon
The black lines making up the background to the place where the serial numbers would usually be are called ‘raster’. In the catalogues you might see for example…….’KN-Raster mit 7 linien’ or ‘KN-raster mit 13 linien’………so now you know it refers to that shaded area where the serial number goes. Hope the forum info is helping?
Graham – here is another one for you to see. Notice that these pieces are all missing their serial numbers, where the usual pieces all have a serial number.
Be aware that some notgeld pieces don’t have serial numbers at all though…
Fantastic info John, as usual. Thanks for your post. I have updated and included your forum post in the Deutscher Michel article!
https://notgeld.com/gncc-notgeld-articles/deutscher-michael/
On the note Kahla G/M 668.10.3, Deutscher Michel is sweeping away the discarded values of a society which has lost its way. Alongside an old spring and a broken cup and what may be an old shoe with its sole hanging off, we see a bible and various commandments, quotations and proverbs concerning righteous living : “Thou shalt not kill” (Exodus 20 : 13); “Thou shalt not commit adultery” (Exodus 20 : 14); “Thou shalt not steal” (Exodus 20 : 15);  “Love your neighbour as yourself” (the Great Commandment from Matthew 22 : 39); “Pray and work” ( St Benedict of Nursia’s Rule : Ora et labora); “Do what is right and fear no one” (Latin proverb : Recte fac, neminem time); “Be as one! As one! As one!” (Attinghausen in Friedrich Schiller’s drama Wilhelm Tell, Act 4, Scene 2); “Honesty is the best policy” (English equivalent to the German proverb,which literally says : “Honesty lasts longest”); and “Always practise faithfulness and decency” (from Mozart’s The Magic Flute, with lyrics based on a poem by Ludwig Hoelty, this was a very popular piece of music in Prussia – the melody rang out from the carillion of Potsdam’s Garrison Church from 1797 to 1945).
On the Kahla note I showed : I’m not sure what the papers are that he is brushing up though. I always thought it was the notgeld issues themselves?? Anyone confirm or otherwise??
We all had to start at ‘only a few’ at some point…….
Thanks for your 1st post! Hopefully we can see if we can build up some interaction between the GNCC members.
Before I started to sell my notgeld collection off, I had amassed 20,000 different. The most important thing to me though was everything I learnt along the way.
Hi everyone
How many Notgeld Notes do you have in your collection?
I’ve 104 and growing in my collection but before I join this GNCC……I have only about 30
In the set of 6, I would say I like this one the best. Just noticed after uploading the picture, that its one to add to the Deutscher Michel article!:
Here’s an upload of Kahla G/M 668.10.5 Einigkeit macht stark : “Unity makes for strength”.  The more I look at the guy in the corner, the more I can see Munch’s “The Scream” – except that here the screaming figure isn’t clutching his own head, he’s being grasped by the ears by an opponent. It’s a splendid trompe l’oeil.The figure on the left is Deutscher Michel, the personification of the German People. He is almost always shown, wearing his nightcap. At the time of these notes, the German people were struggling with food shortages and economic collapse.
You can only post once, under a topic, without having to wait 5 minutes to post again – I think those are the ’embedded rules’ inherited with this forum software…….. we can check as we go along. I just posted once and it was all ok. I then added a 2nd post and it ‘disappeared’……. we will do our best to iron out these anomalies.
Here are my favourite 2 pieces of German notgeld. They were some of the earliest pieces I stumbled upon and collected. Due to their very colourful and artistic graphics, I was then hooked on collecting notgeld………..and still am, nearly 50 years on from then!
Just seen a couple of possible fixes and sent that info to Edge.
(I’ll remove all these posts when and if we sort this out.)It would be nice to get an upload from your own computer option though…….like normal, so you can just select the picture you want to upload to the forum.
WE ARE CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING AN EASY IMAGE UPLOADER. PLEASE BEAR WITH US AS WE TRY TO RESOLVE THE IMAGE UPLOAD ISSUE
I just used the ‘IMG’ button to upload this picture. I had to copy the link still though…….
Slight issue – you have to give access to the people to see your album / photo. I have done that for you John.
If you click on the link in my forum post, do you get to see the picture.
Kunal – I take it you can’t see anything if you click on the link in my forum post??Its a bit of mucking about………..
Edge is looking for a plug in image uploaded we can use hopefully. Not sure what the ‘IMG’ button actually does then here?
I’ll keep playing……………That seemed to do it! I just copied the link from the top part of the page when I had opened the photo.
What does ‘Einigkeit macht stark’ mean John?
I’ll try and add a link from Google photos of the picture I just uploaded there…….
Just a general question to all in the forum as a test and taster – what’s your favourite piece of Notgeld in your collection, and why?
I have so many favourites, but one I keep returning to is Note 5 (“Einigkeit macht stark”) of the Kahla Political Series (Grabowski Mehl 668.10 / 668.11, Lindmann 650i). Drawn by the Norwegian artist Olaf Gulbransson who was a mainstay of the Munich satirical magazine Simplicissimus, it shows such a delightfully chaotic free-for-all between the various classes of German society. A pleasing little detail in the bottom left-hand corner is what appears to be a nod to fellow Norwegian Edvard Munch’s “The Scream”.If you have private verkehrsausgaben notgeld and want to know their catalohue value and don’t have the quite expensive Tieste pair of catalogues……..please just ask!
These pieces were issued by the ‘H. Heye’ glass factory so are known as ‘private’ issues. (Pieces issued by private companies). You will therefore NOT find them in the Gr/Mehl catalogues unfortunately. They are however, listed by the much better and fully comprehensive Tieste verk. catalogue(s). They catalogue at 10 euros each and a full set consists of 6 pieces (as shown above).
Here are the pictures of the ‘Delion’ signed ones:
Here are the pictures of the ‘Tiemer’ signed ones:
I have 7 different coloured border pieces here that I am selling. They would make a great addition to anyone’s banknote / notgeld collection for sure.
You can always contact me by email direct (rather than this forum) if you want to sort out a deal for any of my notgeld.I think so too.
Here is the reverse:Lets try and use the topics that I have already set up. If we get a demand for others we can add them if required.
Otherwise, on forums like this, you just end up with countless number of threads that only a few people will see and read.1 great notgeld topic or thread will keep the collectors viewing it and hopefully adding their comments in too, so over time, it improves and gets really good viewings and additional information for everyone!
I will move new topics that I think aren’t warranted, to under our main ‘general notgeld chit-chat’ topic.
Here is the link, which will open in a new window (Close that window when you are done):
Please have a look at the ‘Bamberg’ article as I have just added the 1 BILLION mark note along with the translations, which were kindly supplied by GNCC member John Adams.
There is a nice set of 12 from Kneitlingen. Can you do an article on those for us all please?
What has been your newest notgeld piece of information you have learnt?
I learnt that the private verkehrsausgaben notes from Schauenstein have 2 different signatures to look out for :
‘Tiemer’ & ‘Delion’
I think this topic will be where most people will post and it will act as the main focal point of the forum. I will check on it almost daily………….
A beautiful Bielefeld linen piece I recently acquired:
My favourite set of serienscheine notgeld
