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Nate – your new serienscheine book looks fantastic!!
Picked up a new set from Bueckeburg recently that I’ve been wanting to find for a long while. Prior to obtaining them, I hadn’t seen any clear images of the 3 notes together, so I didn’t fully realize the design differences and how they progress from black and white to full color as the denominations increase, which I thought was really cool. Here are some scans:
I have a recent finding to share, along with a project I’ve been working on.
The scan shown here is from the May 1995 issue of The Fraktur newsletter. It covers some information about the coal notgeld pieces, as well as information about a lead pattern I was previously unaware of. As some of you are probably aware, The Fraktur was a monthly English language newsletter that ran from 1988 – 2000. I recently had the privilege of digitizing the entire run 12.5 year run of The Fraktur, and I’ve uploaded it to a new site I’ve been working on to host interesting documents and information about Notgeld — notgeld.wiki
Also on the site is a great archive of another English language Notgeld publication called Notgeld Newsletter. This publication started in the early 1970’s and only has 16 issues, but also features many really great supplemental materials covering a wide range of topics like astronomy on notgeld, scatological notgeld, medical themed notgeld, and more!
Hi Randolph, and welcome to you! I myself actually started collecting a good number of years ago with notes of the Hyperinflation that would turn up on bric-a-brac stands in Germany, and although my interests have widened considerably since, I still enjoy inflation notes and have about 400 of them from 1922-1923 as a sub-section of the collection. I usually look for a note with a peculiarity or an interesting story or background.
Here’s a sample, an unusual 1,000,000 Mark note issued by the Hordeaux-Bergmann Aktien-Ges. für Korbwaren-u. Kinderwagen-Industrie and Hordeaux-Bing G.m.b.H. and printed on paper taken from or intended for a catalogue for basketware, one of their products (see reverse side of note).
I was a little puzzled that there were signatories for two firms, so I did a bit of research and found out the following nuggets : in 1890 the Frenchman Amédée Hourdeaux turned his firm into the AG für Korbwarenindustrie vormals Amédée Hourdeaux with the assistance of the Bank of Thuringia in Meiningen and some Dresden bankers, the Arnhold Brothers.  In 1908 the company acquired the Kinderwagen- und Holzwarenfabrik GmbH in Wasungen and in 1909 merged with its competitor Bergman & Co. in Hirschaid and Lichtenfels. The company produced perambulators; dolls’ prams; bassinets; wooden products such as children’s chairs, doll’s sports cars, sledges; basketware; and, woven and upholstered furniture. They formed a syndicate with the Bing-Werke AG in Nuremberg in 1921, hence the note being signed on behalf of both company and syndicate. Eventually the syndicate merged and the resulting company survived until 1978.
Happy collecting! May you always find the pieces you’re looking for and the ones you didn’t know you were looking for!
Hello, all! My name is Nate. I’m new to the GNCC and the forum, but I’ve been collecting notgeld for about 10 years now. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned the March 2021 Numismatist article about Reutergeld, so I took some screenshots of the article that you can find here: https://imgur.com/a/oDOmMIo
So, sorting my heaps of notgeld, I come across this set. Thought I really had it made. Here is the sales page from Tieste:
How wonderful, I thought. Out of curiosity, I wondered what the several-year-old Lindman catalog had it listed for. Then: “DOOM”. Lindman had a small notation that overprinted issues were NOT Serienschiene. So of course, all of mine had the overprint. All had the same overprint. One sample here
:
So disappointed. But…life goes on.
Anyway, this made me think: What exactly defines notes as Serienschiene? Did the various towns just hand them out or sell tlhem? And what could you do with them? Bread costing thousands or millions of Mark, what could you buy for 50 pennies or so?
Hi Tony, there’s only one other cycling note I can think of offhand.
It’s the 1 Million Mark note of 24th August 1923, issued by the Elitewerke Ltd., a German car manufacturer based in Brand-Erbisdorf from 1913 – 1929, but more specifically by the part of the company known as the Diamantenwerke in Siegmar. Elite merged with Diamant, a bicycle manufacturer, in 1920.
On the obverse, the note shows in silhouette three cyclists on racing bikes with drop handlebars moving down a country lane.
On the reverse, the note shows in photographic clarity a head shot of one Richard Huschke, “the most successful Diamant rider”. Huschke (born 6th August 1893 in Berlin, died 11th January 1980 in Calw, or Stuttgart) was a professional racer who rode with the Continental team in the 1912, 1913 and 1914 seasons, and for the Diamant team in 1927.  His career spanned 1911-1929 and from 1913 to 1928 he competed, sometimes repeatedly, in the following major races : Berlin – Cottbus – Berlin; Zurich Championship; Germany Tour; Giro della Provincia di Milano; Il Lombardia; the Berlin Tour; and the Cologne Tour. Known as “King Richard”, he was – together with his brother Adolf – one of the most successful German cyclists. He was German champion in 1922 and 1925.
Hi Tony, there’s only one other cycling note I can think of offhand.
It’s the 1 Million Mark note of 24th August 1923, issued by the Elitewerke Ltd., a German car manufacturer based in Brand-Erbisdorf from 1913 – 1929, but more specifically by the part of the company known as the Diamantenwerke in Siegmar. Elite merged with Diamant, a bicycle manufacturer, in 1920.
On the obverse, the note shows in silhouette three cyclists on racing bikes with drop handlebars moving down a country lane.
On the reverse, the note shows in photographic clarity a head shot of one Richard Huschke, “the most successful Diamant rider”. Huschke (born 6th August 1893 in Berlin, died 11th January 1980 in Stuttgart) was a professional racer who rode with the Continental team in the 1912, 1913 and 1914 seasons, and for the Diamant team in 1927.  His career spanned 1911-1929 and from 1913 to 1928 he competed in the following major races : Berlin – Cottbus – Berlin; Zurich Championship; Germany Tour; Giro della Provincia di Milano; Il Lombardia; the Berlin Tour; and the Cologne Tour. Known as “King Richard”, he was – together with his brother Adolf – one of the most successful German cyclists. He was German champion in 1922 and 1925. Â
Hi Graham, I’ve often maintained that the most useful new coin to introduce would be the 99p coin, which would save all the mountains of pennies I’ve gathered over the years and make for more honest and transparent transactions! As far as Notgeld goes, a couple of odd values spring to mind. Firstly the 700 Mark notes from Ujest (today Ujazd in Poland), which were issued to celebrate the town’s 700th anniversary; secondly, the 1,60 Mark note from the Brunswick Motor Traffic Company Ltd. (Kraftverkehrsgesellschaft m. b. H. Braunschweig), catalogued as Lindman 148a and Grabowski / Mehl 156.1. As the latter was issued by an omnibus company with the otherise normal values of 25 Pf. and 75 Pf. , I wonder whether the 1,60 Mark represents the value of a fare? The notes are also overprinted as 0,50 Mark (Lindman 148b, G/M 156.4).
This is pretty funny. I had never heard of this of Bielefeld conspiracy but there is a whole wikipedia article on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_conspiracy
The US equivalent is that Wyoming doesn’t exist, but that’s my home state so I’m more suspicious Bielefeld does not exist.
My latest asset. It is an uncut sheet of 9 notes of the place Bochum. The three notes are a part of a larger serie of 7 notes. It represents coilmining. Bochum is a part of the Ruhr-area, a very large industrial-site of mining and stealmanufactoring. It consist of 3 times the same notes with a value of 75 Pf and twice 1 Mk. The notes are printed with serialnumbers (notice the “random” numbers!). I do not know why the sheet is not cut, may be there is a defect or a flow. I like the serie because it is in black and white (like the black coal and dressed white (!) miners. The only colors are the red of the value and the green of the KN. I think the artist is F.A. Gimmerthal out of Langendreer (a district of Bochum).
This is a request to buy, or for price information. These ones —
https://www.das-deutsche-notgeld.de/pm3/pmvisi.htm
are notgeld made from business cards. Does anybody have such things for sale, or can recommend a reasonable price for such a thing?
Here is an interesting scan from the May 1995 issue of The Fraktur regarding the coal notgeld pieces. I was unaware of these lead patterns previously.
I’ve recently digitized the entire 12.5 year run of The Fraktur publication, which you can find here: notgeld.wiki
Update on the Grossalmerode note – and its companion piece!
I’ve been doing some more digging and it seems that the issuer, the Detaillisten-Vereinigung e.V der Bezirke W.O.C.G., is in fact the Detaillistenvereinigung e.V. der Bezirke W.O.L.G! The third letter isn’t a C for Cassel but an L for Lichtenau, as in Hessisch Lichtenau, site of one of the landmarks depicted. I’ve been corresponding with very kind members of the Local History Club of Grossalmerode about the 25 Pfennig note from the same issuer, and have put together with their help the following interpretation :
On the obverse : Mercury, the god of merchants and trade, recognisable by his winged hat, his winged heels and his winged staff entwined with serpents, the caduceus, holds a manuscript proclamation of the terms of validity and the promise to pay the bearer. A young oak, symbol of a resurgent Germany, grows opposite a stalk of corn growing anew from a broken stalk, both symbolising the rise of a war-torn land.
The reverse shows cherries (for which Witzenhausen is famous), a weaver’s shuttle (for the textile factory Fröhlich & Wolff, from 1907 in Lichtenau), and the ceramic crucibles produced in Grossalmerode and which feature in the town’s coat of arms. The symbols of industry (crossed hammers in front of an iron cogwheel) may relate to the local glassworks and small-scale mining industry.
Hi Graham, I’ve often maintained that the most useful new coin to introduce would be the 99p coin, which would save all the mountains of pennies I’ve gathered over the years, and make for more honest and transparent transactions! As far as Notgeld goes, a couple of odd values spring to mind. Firstly the 700 Mark notes from Ujest (today Ujazd in Poland), which were issued to celebrate the town’s 700th anniversary; secondly, the 1,60 Mark note from the Brunswick Motor Traffic Company Ltd. (Kraftverkehrsgesellschaft m. b. H. Braunschweig), catalogued as Lindman 148a and Grabowski / Mehl 156.1. As the latter was issued by an omnibus company alongside the otherwise normal values of 25 Pf. and 75 Pf., I wonder whether the 1,60 Mark represents the value of a fare? The notes are also issued overprinted as 0,50 Mark (Lindman 148b, G/M 156.4).
Hi Randolph, and a very big welcome to you! I actually started my collection many years ago with notes from the Hyperinflation that I found on bric-a-brac stands in Germany and since then have moved on to other notes of the period and beyond. I just had a count-up, and have about 400 inflation notes from 1922-1923 as a part of the overall collection. I tend to be drawn to the ones where there is some peculiarity or an interesting story or background.
Here’s a sample, an unusual 1,000,000 Mark note issued by the Hordeaux-Bergmann Aktien-Ges. für Korbwaren-u. Kinderwagen-Industrie, printed on paper taken from or intended for a catalogue for basketware, one of the firm’s products (see reverse).
I did a little research into the company’s history and came up with the following information : in 1890 the Frenchman Amédée Hourdeaux turned his firm into the AG für Korbwarenindustrie vormals Amédée Hourdeaux with the assistance of the Bank of Thuringia in Meiningen and some Dresden bankers, the Arnhold Brothers.  In 1908 the company acquired the Kinderwagen- und Holzwarenfabrik GmbH in Wasungen and in 1909 merged with its competitor Bergman & Co. in Hirschaid and Lichtenfels. The company produced perambulators, dolls’ prams and bassinets, wooden products such as children’s chairs, doll’s sports cars, sledges, basketware, woven and upholstered furniture. They formed a syndicate with the Bing-Werke AG in Nuremberg in 1921, hence the note being signed on behalf of both company and syndicate. Eventually the syndicate merged and the resulting company survived until 1978.
Happy collecting! May you always find the ones you’re looking for and the ones you didn’t know you were looking for!
Altrahlstedt are masters in recycling there notes. These three are the third edition with a overprint. One note with 20.000.000 Mk I do not have in my (photo-) collection. The hyper-inflation overprints are on the notes with the first and second overprint.
 
An addition to the latest book by Tony. A very rare serie of the place Röhrigshöfe a. Werra (Gr. 1132 and Li. 1102) with (E175,- a piece) and without (E200,- a piece) serial-numbers. They are comical notes, the order is a bit strange. The 25 Pf serie is numbered: A-B-E-F-G and 75 Pf: C-D-H-I-K. I think they are in pairs, but I can not see the combination (think A-B, C-D,…….). The artist is G. Hoffmann and designed the other serie of Röhrigshöfe too. Which Hoffmann is a riddle: Georg (graphic artist)is a candidate, but he was born in 1891 I think he is too young. The other Georg (maler) was born after 1860 (sic) and died 1936/1937 (sic), but I can not find drawings of him. I think it is a local artist, but what his first name is and his other work? One note of the other serie is used on the cover of a book abut the history of the town.
A few years ago I was on holiday in this region of Germany. I drove through Röhrigshöfe. I saw a few houses, the river Werra, but the most striking things were enormous mountains of kali (see Google-maps). That was all. So, in the 1920’s it was the same: salt, bridge, mill and pub. I can not find an other issue of this place in all the other Notgeld-catalogs.
I like the two series. They are with humor and made in a nice loose style. The “unknown” artist is not forgotten, he lives on upon the Serienscheine, seen by all the Notgeld-collectors. And the town (now known as Röhrigshof); worldfamous by this sky-high saltmountains (Monte Kali)!
I upload this regarding the matter of favourites, but also for the Luther-afficionados
Work of Alfred Hanf, noted Erfurt-artist from the expressionist movement. If you want to see more, check Erfurt Luther-series, Genthin, Genthin Bismarck-series, Gebesee, Sömmerda and Weissensee. Complementary info is very welcome of course!
Tony might add it to the Luther-article
The picture of the thin man and the German official has always fired my imagination. At these times the German People (personified by Deutsche Michel wearing his nightcap) were struggling with food shortages and economic collapse. When I realised the character on the left of the note was ‘Deutsche Michel’, I started to see how many other notgeld issued portrayed him. There are quite a few out there!
Here is the link to my website article about those:Â https://notgeld.com/gncc-notgeld-articles/deutscher-michael/
So, sorting my heaps of notgeld, I come across this set. Thought I really had it made. Here is the sales page from Tieste:
How wonderful, I thought. Out of curiosity, I wondered what the several-year-old Lindman catalog had it listed for. Then: “DOOM”. Lindman had a small notation that overprinted issues were NOT Serienschiene. So of course, all of mine had the overprint. All had the same overprint. One sample here :
So disappointed. But…life goes on.
Anyway, this made me think: What exactly defines notes as Serienschiene? Did the various towns just hand them out or sell them? …..and what could you do with them? Bread costing thousands or millions of Mark, what could you buy for 50 pennies or so?
Hi John, my cataloguing system has undergone all kinds of transformations since I first started collecting until it organically reached its current form. I basically have a chronological run of albums from 1870-1918; then albums for Verkehrsausgaben; then albums for inflationary notes; then Wertbestaendiges Notgeld and post-Inflation Weimar, then 1933-45; then 1945-2002. Outside of that I have albums for Serienscheine, divided into German states – Prussia is subdivided into its provinces and Thuringia into its original constituent states. Oh, and the albums of Austrian Notgeld, subdivided into the Austrian states. I use both Grabowski / Mehl and Lindmann for my Serienscheine and appropriate published catalogues for the others. I also have Ubercatalogues and Untercatalogues showing the whole collection alphabetically, or according to states but with wish lists interspersed, individual album catalogues, a catalogue of all the catalogues (!) and an overview I have laminated on my wall. I’d say I should get out more but in current lockdown circumstances that isn’t an option. Happy cataloguing, however you go about it! Attached some examples of the Serienscheine catalogue subdivded by state, with some ideas for database fields i.e. state, town, issuer :
Altrahlstedt is a vey nice example of recycling his Notgeld. Tony mentioned the two overprints, but there are three! they are reissued in 16-8-1923 as hyper-inflation notes with 100.000 Mark to 20.000.000 Mark. See below two notes:
So, sorting my heaps of notgeld, I come across this set. Thought I really had it made. Here is the sales page from Tieste:
How wonderful, I thought. Out of curiosity, I wondered what the several-year-old Lindman catalog had it listed for. Then: “DOOM”. Lindman had a small notation that overprinted issues were NOT Serienschiene. So of course, all of mine had the overprint. All had the same overprint. One sample here :
So disappointed. But…life goes on.
Anyway, this made me think: What exactly defines notes as Serienschiene? Did the various towns just hand them out or sell tlhem? And what could you do with them? Bread costing thousands or millions of Mark, what could you buy for 50 pennies or so?
So, sorting my heaps of notgeld, I come across this set. Thought I really had it made. Here is the sales page from Tieste:
How wonderful, I thought. Out of curiosity, I wondered what the several-year-old Lindman catalog had it listed for. Then: “DOOM”. Lindman had a small notation that overprinted issues were NOT Serienschiene. So of course, all of mine had the overprint. All had the same overprint. One sample here
So disappointed. But…life goes on.
Anyway, this made me think: What exactly defines notes as Serienschiene? Did the various towns just hand them out or sell tlhem? And what could you do with them? Bread costing thousands or millions of Mark, what could you buy for 50 pennies or so?
This is meant to be a reply, but I cannot find the post I want to reply to, sorry. Question was: Which is your favorite piece. So far, this Gronau piece is my favorite. Why? Because it seems to embody the entire dismal situation that Germany was in at the time.
Some items related to spinning are shown, but the primary thrust of the piece is the current situation.
This is not an exact translation, but rather my interpretation:
The one side says that even though the value of the Mark is disappearing, German inner strength remains.
The other side shows the underfed Germans looking across the Dutch border at the overfed Dutchman and the bundles of edibles stacked near him.
The beer has no malt, nothing to spread on the bread. The number of zeroes in our money gets ever longer, soon we’re done for.
A truly sad situation that gave rise to the 3rd reich and all the ills that came with it.
I load-up the following series as another favourite, and as a Luther-related item
It was executed by the noted Erfurt-artist Alred Hanf. More series designed by Hanf are: Genthin, Sömmerda, Luther-series Erfurt, Bismarck-series Genthin, Weissensee in Thüringen and Gebesee.
Maybe TG-M wd care to edit an article on this good artist?
This is a request to buy, or for price information. These ones —
https://www.das-deutsche-notgeld.de/pm3/pmvisi.htm
are notgeld made from business cards. Does anybody have such things for sale, or can recommend a reasonable price for such a thing?
The character on the left is ‘Deutscher Michel’ – the personification of the German People – wearing his usual nightcap. At these times, the German people were struggling with food shortages and an economic collapse. There is an article on the website covering notgeld depicting German Michel.
https://notgeld.com/gncc-notgeld-articles/deutscher-michael/
Wow, that is amazing information about the Kaiserhof note! With the crown and the moustache you really can see Kaiser Wilhelm II through the back – obviously the Hotel / Cafe is doing justice to itse name!
This made me think about the Stuttgart King’s Own Dragoons Regiment note (G/M 1288.1, Lm. 1257), which I recalled has a similar picture of a chap with the sun at his back, possibly by the same artist? This one’s carrying a scythe rather than a hammer. So I had a look. And what a discovery!
Again, on the reverse we have an empty rondel surmounted by a crown. And looking through the backlit note we see that the crown fits exactly on the head of the figure. No moustache, though, and the bearded gentlemen looks different, so it’s not Kaiser Wilhelm II.
It is however another Wilhelm II, the exiled King of Württemberg, the last of the German ruling princes to abdicate in 1918 (on 30th November). This makes complete sense as the note is from the King’s Own Regiment of Dragoons (Königsdragoner).
A note on the crowns : the Kaiserhof piece has not the Hohernzollern crown of Kaiser Wilhelm II in his role as King of Prussia, but the Imperial Crown befitting his role as emperor (Kaiserhof, remember). And the Stuttgart piece also has the exactly correct crown, the 1806 crown of King Wilhelm II of Württemberg’s ancestor Friedrich I, which I actually saw back in February this year in the Landesmuseum in Stuttgart. Coincidences abound.
Wow, that is amazing information about the Kaiserhof note! With the crown and the moustache you really can see Kaiser Wilhelm II through the back – obviously the Hotel / Cafe is doing justice to itse name!
This made me think about the Stuttgart King’s Own Dragoons Regiment note (G/M 1288.1, Lm. 1257), which I recalled has a similar picture of a chap with the sun at his back, possibly by the same artist? This one’s carrying a scythe rather than a hammer. So I had a look. And what a discovery!
Again, on the reverse we have an empty rondel surmounted by a crown. And looking through the backlit note we see that the crown fits exactly on the head of the figure. No moustache, though, and the bearded gentlemen looks different, so it’s not Kaiser Wilhelm II.
It is however another Wilhelm II, the exiled King of Württemberg, the last of the German ruling princes to abdicate in 1918 (on 30th November). This makes complete sense as the note is from the King’s Own Regiment of Dragoons (Königsdragoner).
A note on the crowns : the Kaiserhof piece has not the Hohernzollern crown of Kaiser Wilhelm II in his role as King of Prussia, but the Imperial Crown befitting his role as emperor (Kaiserhof, remember). And the Stuttgart piece also has the exactly correct crown, the 1806 crown of King Wilhelm II of Württemberg’s ancestor Friedrich I, which I actually saw back in February this year in the Landesmuseum in Stuttgart. Coincidences abound.
Wow, that is amazing information about the Kaiserhof note! With the crown and the moustache you really can see Kaiser Wilhelm II through the back – obviously the Hotel / Cafe is doing justice to itse name!
This made me think about the Stuttgart King’s Own Dragoons Regiment note (G/M 1288.1, Lm. 1257), which I recalled has a similar picture of a chap with the sun at his back, possibly by the same artist? This one’s carrying a scythe rather than a hammer. So I had a look. And what a discovery!
Again, on the reverse we have an empty rondel surmounted by a crown. And looking through the backlit note we see that the crown fits exactly on the head of the figure. No moustache, though, and the bearded gentlemen looks different, so it’s not Kaiser Wilhelm II.
It is however another Wilhelm II, the exiled King of Württemberg, the last of the German ruling princes to abdicate in 1918 (on 30th November). This makes complete sense as the note is from the King’s Own Regiment of Dragoons (Königsdragoner).
A note on the crowns : the Kaiserhof piece has not the Hohernzollern crown of Kaiser Wilhelm II in his role as King of Prussia, but the Imperial Crown befitting his role as emperor (Kaiserhof, remember). And the Stuttgart piece also has the exactly correct crown, the 1806 crown of King Wilhelm II of Württemberg’s ancestor Friedrich I, which I actually saw back in February this year in the Landesmuseum in Stuttgart. Coincidences abound.
See below the Teutoburger Muenzenauktion 151, Bielefeld on 2 december 2022. I have chosen a few beautiful items from the auction. There are hunderds of common notes, but the most of them are rare to very, very rare. Take a look at: https://www.teutoburger-muenzauktion.de/de/ and be amazed of the variety. If you are looking in the cave of Aladin. I hope you are Croesus, then you can purchase a few wonderful pieces!!
Teutoburger Muenzenauktion 151, Bielefeld lot 509 (Nice merchandise of the Bielefelder Stadt Sparkasse)
Teutoburger Muenzenauktion 151, Bielefeld on 2 december 2022. See the pictures below with hundrerds of notes from the Bielefelder Sparkasse. It is the collection of a director of a bank. They are from common to unica. I have chosen some lots of notes with borders where the Sparkasse is famous for. Browse to https://www.teutoburger-muenzauktion.de/de/ and you are thinking you are in the cave of Aladin, but you have to be a Croesus to purchase the most unique items. Enjoy!!!!!
Teutoburger Muenzenauktion 151, Bielefeld lot 509 (Nice merchandise of the Bielefelder Sparkasse)
Very interesting. I’m aware of another set that seems to have a similar “dot” in the corner on some of the notes. This colorful zoo set from Hamburg. I’ve circled the same area of each note to highlight the difference.
Hi Nate, this looks amazing! Just ordered my copy 😀. Can’t wait! Best wishes and kindest thanks.
My new Serienscheine book has officially been released! If you’d like to buy a copy, please visit notgeldbook.com. If you have any questions or encounter any issues on the site, please let me know!
Grünberg (Hessen)
After almost 100 years (almost) nothing has changed
(Holiday photo 2018. Note 1922)
DETMOLD, Hermanndenkmal (Varusschlacht)
This statue represents the battle in the Teutoburgerwald near the German city Detmold, between Varus and Arminius in 9 AD. The German troops of Arminius (Hermann) defeated the Roman army of Varus. This battle was the end of the Roman conquests in the German territories to he east.
The statue was erected between 1838-1875 by Ernst von Bandel. Is is 50 meters high and has an internal staircase. The German states just recovered from the wars against Napoleon. Hermann was a representation of the founders of an united German empire and the longing to a German state. The statue faces to France as a warning.
(The picture is made in my holiday in 2017. The weather was beautiful (sorry John). The note is from the internet.
I have noticed and I am slightly struggling with, small errors that were caused when the website crashed a few months ago. Some of you will notice ‘foreign characters’ in amongst my texts….that look Scandinavian or something. (A capital ‘A’ with a tiny circle on top of it for example). Please advise if you stumble across them and let me know which article they are in please – so I can correct them. They are usually where a German letter form has been copied across. (I may need to know the English letters that I can overwrite them with…..eg) ss or ue or where a German character was used etc.
Thanks in advance.
I just added a reverse scan to the Schoetmar ‘unknown print error’ article. Does anyone have any more scans they can send so I can include all the ‘error’ pieces we have amongst us please?
This will be an interesting forum topic – thanks John.
(I’ve resized the images) and centred etc.It is nice to see some of the notgeld graphics ‘in real life’.
First of an occasional series of posts from my visits to places depicted on Notgeld! I had the inspiration a couple of weeks ago during a long and wet weekend in Hamburg, when I unexpectedly came across the Bismarck Monument from the 1 Mark note of the Kultur- und Sportwoche series (G/M539.1-3). It was unsignposted and hidden behind some trees on top of a hill in a park by the St Pauli Piers, and I recognised it from the note. Had to be worth a visit, so I braved the wind and drizzle and headed up for a closer view.
It shows Otto von Bismarck, the first chancellor of the Wilhelmine Reich, in anachronistic medieval plate armour and leaning on a sword and flanked by two imperial eagles, on a podium supported by eight naked, musclebound heroic figures representing the Germanic tribes. It was erected between 1901 and 1906 according to plans of the architect Emil Schaudt and the sculptor Hugo Lederer.
I found it surrounded by a graffiti-sprayed hoarding topped with coils of barbed wire, and a little research locally told a very modern tale of controversy around statues of those associated with colonialism. The monument has been undergoing cleaning since 2020 but organisations such as “Decolonize Bismarck” have been organising protests; there were certainly some very uncomplimentary graffiti messages amidst the unofficial urban artwork. The Senate of Hamburg has pointed out that the Bismarck-Denkmal is a listed and protected monument from a historical, architectural and artistic perspective.
Posting only 1 image per post doesn’t appear to be something we can amend. The forum was added to the site source as a ‘bolt-on’. Looks like we haveto live with the limitations until the software is updated by the provider of that ‘app’. – Sorry guys, but we tried.
Hi Nate! – thanks for posting – I will include the piece in thearticle so it doesn’t get forgotten.
I never realised you can only post 1 image – I will chat with my IT guru who looks after the issues like this, for me……thanks for pointing it out. Watch this space.
Very cool! I am aware of another set that seems to have a similar “dot” that sometimes appears in the corner of the note. It’s one of the 50 Pf notes in this set from Hamburg. I’ve drawn a red circle around it in each image to highlight the area.
P.S. -> Tony – would it be possible to update the users settings on the forums to allow us to post more than 1 image per post? Having to post across multiple replies like this can get a bit tedious. Not a big deal, but would make it easier to contribute to the forum. Cheers!
Following on from Leng’s information about the unknown printing errors in the Bielefeld 25 mark pieces…..I have now published my article for the Schoetmar 3 mark pieces. (Thanks to Marcel for pointing this out to me!!)
I have found some lovely scans of pieces I have here which show the markings we are discussing……… please have a read.
Here is an uncatalogued variant piece from Guestrow that I just came across. Lindman mentions a couple of colour variants but not fr these 100pf types.
U-boats – I can’t think of any others but we all might stumble upon more…..
Marcel – I’ve checked all the serial numbers on all my stock pieces from Sangershausen and they are all ‘normal…….so you made a good find! A different style is not noted in any of the serienscheine catalogues as far as I am aware.
Hallo Nate,
Found an U-Boot for you: Bremen, Skagerrak-Gesellschaft (1 Mark)
(my private collection)
Random question for all you smart people: Are there any Notgeld that depict images of U-boats? A friend asked me this question randomly and after thinking about it for a while and searching the internet, I can’t seem to find any that do! It seems like such an important German invention like the U-boat would make its way to be featured on a note in some way. Do you know of any notes w/ u-boats that you could share with me? Thanks, all!
I have just published an article for non-paper, card or metal notgeld issues (material pieces) ………that DO NOT appear in Grabowski Band 9.
I have started it off but I know there will be quite a few others. Please email me with the town name and a scan if you can suggest any please. It will take some time to get this anywhere near ‘complete’ I think…..
Thanks in advance
Most faded pieces, where the ink has started to almost run out, will have serial numbers which help define when that was in the print run. What do you think happened here then??
They introduced a new colour later on in the print run……or maybe there are 2 different colour, each with their own print run??
SANGERHAUSEN
The 50 Pf note above is the RARE one (with the small serial number). Please, also look for the 25 Pf note. Thanks!!!!
I will have to keep my eyes out as it isn’t somethig I have really looked specifically at. I will also see if I have any pieces here still that throw any light on the situation. All collectors can post their 50pf piece if the serial number isn’t like those 2 scans from Marcel…..
SANGERHAUSEN
Every two or three months I am on a money fair. Always at the same dealer table with three or four Serienscheine collectors. I am looking at 15 big maps filled with Serienscheine. Which one first? Not once I have all the 15 maps seen in one visit. What a lovely day, filling the empty spots in my catalog.
Sometimes you make a discovery: a not cataloged Serienschein. Usually it is variant in the serial numbers: a bigger star or the not confirmed serial number. But last month I had a bigger catch.
Sangerhausen issued one serie two different paper types: Büttenpapier (hand made paper): sämisch (chamois colored) and white paper. The serial numbers are easy to see: 4,5 mm in height, 3 or 4 digits and every new edition is numbered with vorgedruckter 1, 2, 3, 4 on sämisch Büttenpapier and 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 on weiss Büttenpapier.
“What is this?”, I thought. The note in my hand has a strange serial number: No 02824 three mm in height. I took a closer look, the paper was very smooth and sämisch and the colours are more realistic than the normal notes. No watermark. (The note is not in a perfect condition. A bit of browning on the left side, a little damage bottom right corner and on the backside there is glue and the paper has a “paper error” with a little damage on the edge)
At home browsing on the internet. Nothing about my new note. Is it a Muster (sample) or a new edition, but never issued?
My call to my fellow collectors: please look in your collection. Is my note an unica or are there more? Write Tony with a picture if you find such a “new” note of Sangerhausen. Thanks to all !!!!
Hi Marcel – I think it is the other way. Lindman had moved on to creating a catalogue for all Baustein pieces……way past the date of 1923/4…….and thus took all the baustein pieces and placed them in that specific catalogue. I think he became aware of a few pieces after he had written his ‘Jungdo’ and serienscheine catalogues, so placed the baustein piece into his baustein catalogue only. I don’t think he updated and printed his Jungdo original – wouldn’t have thought he had sold too many of those! He wouldn’t have updated his serienscheine catalogue as he had split those off in his mind………but I think that was not 100% the right thing to do. I think it was another catalogue he could write and sell.
In the baustein catalogue there are some ‘horrible later dated pieces – they have nothing to do with the notgeld issues that are in his serienscheine catalogue and the pieces that notgeld collectors still love today.
Hallo Nate and Tony,
The Minden note is listed in my PUZ catalog. There is no remark that the note single-sided. But, not every single-sided note is mentioned, see e.g. Halle Merseburg Hausgenossenschaft is single-sided.
Yes Tony, strange that the Minden note is not listed in the “Jungdo” book by Lindman. In the “Bausteine und Spendenscheine” (2011) by even so Lindman there is an entrance and he refers to the Serienscheine catalog. May be he found out that the Minden note is after all NOT a Serienschein?
Hello everyone. Someone (and I can’t remember who unfortunately) asked a question about a Bischofswerder 1914 piece they had. I have had a response back from Alfred Diessner now – ‘Bischofswerder – it is number 029.1.d – point type A.’
Hopefully this will find the right person.
Hi Nate!
Oh – does Lindman do that in his listings? I hadn’t realised
– I have a list of pieces that I am trying to ascertain whether they are double sided or uniface. I will have to check what he says for those…….thanks for the hint.Nice! I also found a different image of the face side of the note, from an old Teutoburger auction (sold for 550 EUR in 2013!). I’m guessing the note has something printed on the back side or else Lindman would have indicated that the note was single-sided?
Hi Nate!
Strange one – I hadn’t noticed that Lindman has it listed (Lm.864A) but Grabowski doesn’t. I’ve just looked in Lindman’s small red ‘Jungdo’ booklet and Minden is missing.
I found the picture though and I will have to include it in my ‘ELUSIVE GEMS’ at some point. It is probably listed in the Baustein and Spendenscheine catalogue but I don’t have a copy of that. It seems very hard to get hold of…
Has anyone seen an image of this note? This image is from the Lindman catalog, but I don’t believe this note is listed in Grabowski/Mehl? Any info would be greatly appreciated!
GESAMMTBILDER–OVERALL PICTURES
Some Serienscheine creates a beautiful overall picture. You see it when you put the notes in the right order.
REES: a nice overview of the city seen from the river Rhine
WILDESHAUSEN: look carefully, the backside of the six notes creates an overall picture with a drummer
Hi Marcel! – Very interesting. If you find more like this, maybe another article!
Thanks for posting so everyone can share this info.
Lignite or brown coal (Braunkohl)
This moment a little place in Germany Lützerath, is evacuated by the police. Lützerath is occupied by protesters because the town will be demolished for the winning of lignite. In the past there are more then 300 places vanished fort he winning of brown coal. I found two Serienschein places who are “resettled”. Nachterstedt and Königsaue are now Neu Nachterstedt and Neu Königsaue.
Found a “new” (not in the Papiergeld list, see below) “new Serienscheine” made for the admission of the “Archiv der ehedemfreien und des Reiches Stadt” in Mühlhausen. It is a 50 Pf note. See for a compare the original Serienscheine of Mühlhausen.
(Private photo archive)
I have just received my copy of Diessner’s BILLIONENSCHEINE catalogue and its wonderful! A great layout and coloured pictures throughout. If you want a copy, please do get in touch with Curt Bansbach – Mail : info@rbcurrency.com or info@rbnumisbooks.com
Please let him know that ‘Tony the notgeldman from England’ advised you. Thanks.
For all Notgeld collectors and their loved ones: a very merry Christmas and a beautiful new collecting New Year!
With the inspiring Christmas thought: “Allzeit bereit für den Anderen”—“Always ready for the other”
private photo archive
I finally found the different sized ‘No’ (before the serial number) on some Schopfheim pieces. You would never know to look unless you have the Lindman ‘Spezialkatalog’ for seienscheine. There is only .5 mm difference (in both pairs shown) but clear to see the difference:
Hi Marcel and everyone – wonderful pictures and a good idea to post a few here. I think there may be a few pieces coming to GNCC members……….and I mean some of the rare pieces too! I can’t wait to see results and my fingers are crossed for those involved. Alas, I’m not a millionaire – if I was, I think I would have bought them all…….like a kid in a sweet shop! I guess that goes for nearly everyone here.
I note the signature on the framed piece of ‘Paul Hanke’ – absolutely wonderful!!!
For the ultimate collector: a unica 20 Goldmark on velvet. Was in the possession of the former bankdirector Paul Hanke of the Stadtsparkasse Bielefeld. Framed and with: Patent P.A.707192 vom 17.12.23 mit Unterschrift. If you have a moneytree: startingprice Euro 15.000,– on the Teutoburger Auction!!
Interesting Marcel – I have never seen them, but the date range is out of my collecting sphere really. There were several notgeld issues of 1947 which I sometimes see on eBay etc but they are always almost the same ones you always see Altesruid or similar etc. Playing card pieces are liked by the collectors!!
Fa. A. Schulze, Leipzig (Sachsen)
This Notgeld was issued in the period 1945 – 1949 on playing cards. I quote the catalog by Michael Schöne: “Das Papiergeld im besetzten Deutschland 1945 – 1949”: The from mini playing cards notes were made in 5 series with on the backside with the value and “&” (sic!), front with a three lined firm stamp. Size 25 x 35 cm. NB: 1, 2, 5, 10 and 25 Pf. And the symbol for Pfennig: ₰ and not &.
See also the articles by Tony on playing cards and Notgeld
Teutoburger Muenzenauktion 151, Bielefeld on 2 december 2022.
See the pictures below with notes from the Bielefelder Sparkasse. It is the collection of a director of a bank. They are from common to unica. I have chosen some lots of notes with borders where the Sparkasse is famous for. Browse to https://www.teutoburger-muenzauktion.de/de/ and you are thinking you are in the cave of Aladdin, but you have to be a Croesus to purchase the most unique items. Enjoy!!!!!
Teutoburger Muenzenauktion 151, Bielefeld lot 509 (With nice merchandise of the Bielefelder Sparkasse)
